World: r3wp

cheyenne I guess is okay?

With X11 you could also run View now, but the X11 installation process 
is currently a lot of work

Using Cheyenne to run tens of websites here, including Try REBOL

Excellent news Kaj!

I really wish, I had more time, so I could also try this out. Well, 
hopefully some day, I'll see this in action.

Thanks!

Got R3 running through the host build on both Syllable Desktop and 
Syllable Server

Desktop is the wiley one, because it isn't supposed to work at all 
:-)

The R3 core library hasn't been ported to Desktop yet, but I'm using 
one of the Linux-built libraries as is, through a trick

why not?

Why it isn't supposed to work?

ah, I realize that you mean the format of the library used by syllable 
isn't normally linux .so files?

No, Syllable Desktop is not a Linux system at all

Most people seem to think that when Carl says the R3 library is portable, 
this means you need only one binary. This is not true at all

but using .so files doesn't depend on linux does it?  as long as 
the cpu matches... you should be able to connect into .so files (ifthe 
stack method used, corresponds obviously)

he told me that the host will be available as a .lib eventually. 
 (my guess is that will probably be the sdk).

The format of the binary is just that: the format. Even if many systems 
use ELF these days, the machine code instructions you store in that 
format are still very different

The same goes for a static library (which would be called .a on most 
systems). There are still system dependent machine instructions in 
them

Running on the same CPU architecture with the same machine instructions 
is also just that. Those machine instructions call system functions, 
so you need to provide those on the target system

Well, except in this case of Syllable Desktop, because it is very 
well aligned with Linux

R3 depends on the C library so far, and although the same library 
is used the versioning of those libraries is different between Linux 
and Syllable Desktop (and thus also between Syllable Server and Syllable 
Desktop)

Symlinking the required library versions sufficed to get it to work

To illustrate how exact this needs to be: there are currently two 
host builds for Linux: on Ubuntu and on Fedora. The Fedora-built 
library doesn't work on Syllable Desktop

' :-/

As with R2, Carl will still need to build on 40+ platforms

Plus 40+ extra Linux distros, of course...

How is the Desktop different to Linux?

Different kernel, for one thing. Syllable Desktop has nothing to 
do with Linux. Server is the Syllable user space on the Linux kernel.

Next hobby OS could be Haiku, AmigaOS 4 ....

I also liked what I saw of Haiku.  


I do plan on trying out syllable in the not too distant future... 
basically when I'll build myself a linux machine, I'll make a few 
different boot partitions on that machine, one will be syllable  
:-)

Just run it as a vm

Real men run on bare metal :-)

I've had a lot of grief with networkind through vms

There's also no point in it for trying Syllable, because all the 
speed will be sucked up by the VM

The only good point would be if Syllable doesn't support the hardware, 
but that's more a concern with Haiku

how does syllable desktop compare as a multi-user file server?

There is, or at least was, a DVD factory in Denmark running on it

Speed isn't everything - you can test functionality in a VM.

But we declared him mad, just like Maxim and his REBOL C compiler 
:-)

Nevertheless, the DVD factory ran

I want to setup a file server box at home but don't want windows, 
nor mac for that.  the first sucks at file handling itself, the seconds 
well, its file explorer is just unproductive and even dangerous to 
use.

Was the DVD factory running multi-user?

Well, Desktop has its own file server design, so you'd have to port 
the client to your Mac and Windows

Is file I/O comparable to Linux?  
Does it support windows client connections out of the box?

Yes, the Desktop DVD server was churning through thousands of network 
accesses per day, from something in the order of five to ten clients, 
I think

I/O *speed* that is...

But the clients were Syllable Desktop running in VMs on Windows. 
That's how the client app was distributed - also to customers

I'm trying to say: no Windows clients, other than Syllable-on-Windows

And I/O speed is not very good, but it works

I told you we declared him and his boss mad