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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1864x2] | As with R2, Carl will still need to build on 40+ platforms |
Plus 40+ extra Linux distros, of course... | |
Robert 13-Dec-2009 [1866] | How is the Desktop different to Linux? |
BrianH 13-Dec-2009 [1867] | Different kernel, for one thing. Syllable Desktop has nothing to do with Linux. Server is the Syllable user space on the Linux kernel. |
Pekr 13-Dec-2009 [1868] | Next hobby OS could be Haiku, AmigaOS 4 .... |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1869] | I also liked what I saw of Haiku. I do plan on trying out syllable in the not too distant future... basically when I'll build myself a linux machine, I'll make a few different boot partitions on that machine, one will be syllable :-) |
Graham 13-Dec-2009 [1870] | Just run it as a vm |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1871] | Real men run on bare metal :-) |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1872] | I've had a lot of grief with networkind through vms |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1873x2] | There's also no point in it for trying Syllable, because all the speed will be sucked up by the VM |
The only good point would be if Syllable doesn't support the hardware, but that's more a concern with Haiku | |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1875] | how does syllable desktop compare as a multi-user file server? |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1876] | There is, or at least was, a DVD factory in Denmark running on it |
BrianH 13-Dec-2009 [1877] | Speed isn't everything - you can test functionality in a VM. |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1878x2] | But we declared him mad, just like Maxim and his REBOL C compiler :-) |
Nevertheless, the DVD factory ran | |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1880] | I want to setup a file server box at home but don't want windows, nor mac for that. the first sucks at file handling itself, the seconds well, its file explorer is just unproductive and even dangerous to use. |
BrianH 13-Dec-2009 [1881] | Was the DVD factory running multi-user? |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1882] | Well, Desktop has its own file server design, so you'd have to port the client to your Mac and Windows |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1883] | Is file I/O comparable to Linux? Does it support windows client connections out of the box? |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1884] | Yes, the Desktop DVD server was churning through thousands of network accesses per day, from something in the order of five to ten clients, I think |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1885] | I/O *speed* that is... |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1886x4] | But the clients were Syllable Desktop running in VMs on Windows. That's how the client app was distributed - also to customers |
I'm trying to say: no Windows clients, other than Syllable-on-Windows | |
And I/O speed is not very good, but it works | |
I told you we declared him and his boss mad | |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1890x2] | is there a way to install/compile something like SMB on it? |
ehehe | |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1892x3] | Yes, Samba is long ported, but only the client, in principle |
I seem to remember our founder tested the server, too, but in any case, it's not well tested | |
That's why I built Syllable Server as a companion | |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1895] | ok, well I'll give it a good testing when I get that extra machine setup. |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1896] | Why is it that you build a desktop OS, and everyone immediately wants to run a server with it? :-) |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1897x2] | hahahahah I want a clean desktop to run the management on... I really don't like the linux KDE and Gnome desktops. |
the first is as fast as a bee stuck in molasses, while the later, well it just sucks. ;-) | |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1899] | There is someone running a public web server on Desktop - on his own web server in his own language |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1900] | another mad mad ;-) |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1901x3] | Dunno, at least this one is not business critical. A decade ago, Syllable's forerunner was already running as a public web/FTP/CVS server |
Was slashdotted several times without going down | |
I did just get the OpenSSH server going on Desktop. A long standing request from these server operators | |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1904x3] | the reason I want to try out syllable is that it seems to align with much of the sane Amiga principles while sheding those which seemed more closely related to religion. |
would be nice to try to get the latest mesa project running on it with the gallium driver model. that would get you HW accelerated gfx without the need for your own HW drivers. | |
(once I have a bit more C/C++ under my belt, I might see if that's at all possible). | |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1907] | Yup |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1908] | is syllable GPL or MIT/BSD ? |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1909x2] | If you could settle for an FTP server you could try Desktop, but you can't trust your files to be safe |
LGPL, mainly, so you can run closed software on it | |
Maxim 13-Dec-2009 [1911] | ok. LGPL is a "fair" license. if you edit others work, you help them back, but your not *forced* to have them leverage your work for free |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1912] | Yup |
BrianH 13-Dec-2009 [1913] | Depending on linking issues, of course. Fortunately the R3 host kit seems to be compatible with that linking model :) |
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