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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1864x2]
As with R2, Carl will still need to build on 40+ platforms
Plus 40+ extra Linux distros, of course...
Robert
13-Dec-2009
[1866]
How is the Desktop different to Linux?
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1867]
Different kernel, for one thing. Syllable Desktop has nothing to 
do with Linux. Server is the Syllable user space on the Linux kernel.
Pekr
13-Dec-2009
[1868]
Next hobby OS could be Haiku, AmigaOS 4 ....
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1869]
I also liked what I saw of Haiku.  


I do plan on trying out syllable in the not too distant future... 
basically when I'll build myself a linux machine, I'll make a few 
different boot partitions on that machine, one will be syllable  
:-)
Graham
13-Dec-2009
[1870]
Just run it as a vm
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1871]
Real men run on bare metal :-)
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1872]
I've had a lot of grief with networkind through vms
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1873x2]
There's also no point in it for trying Syllable, because all the 
speed will be sucked up by the VM
The only good point would be if Syllable doesn't support the hardware, 
but that's more a concern with Haiku
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1875]
how does syllable desktop compare as a multi-user file server?
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1876]
There is, or at least was, a DVD factory in Denmark running on it
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1877]
Speed isn't everything - you can test functionality in a VM.
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1878x2]
But we declared him mad, just like Maxim and his REBOL C compiler 
:-)
Nevertheless, the DVD factory ran
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1880]
I want to setup a file server box at home but don't want windows, 
nor mac for that.  the first sucks at file handling itself, the seconds 
well, its file explorer is just unproductive and even dangerous to 
use.
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1881]
Was the DVD factory running multi-user?
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1882]
Well, Desktop has its own file server design, so you'd have to port 
the client to your Mac and Windows
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1883]
Is file I/O comparable to Linux?  
Does it support windows client connections out of the box?
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1884]
Yes, the Desktop DVD server was churning through thousands of network 
accesses per day, from something in the order of five to ten clients, 
I think
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1885]
I/O *speed* that is...
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1886x4]
But the clients were Syllable Desktop running in VMs on Windows. 
That's how the client app was distributed - also to customers
I'm trying to say: no Windows clients, other than Syllable-on-Windows
And I/O speed is not very good, but it works
I told you we declared him and his boss mad
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1890x2]
is there a way to install/compile something like SMB on it?
ehehe
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1892x3]
Yes, Samba is long ported, but only the client, in principle
I seem to remember our founder tested the server, too, but in any 
case, it's not well tested
That's why I built Syllable Server as a companion
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1895]
ok, well I'll give it a good testing when I get that extra machine 
setup.
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1896]
Why is it that you build a desktop OS, and everyone immediately wants 
to run a server with it? :-)
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1897x2]
hahahahah  I want a clean desktop to run the management on... I really 
don't like the linux KDE and Gnome desktops.
the first is as fast as a bee stuck in molasses, while the later, 
well it just sucks.  ;-)
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1899]
There is someone running a public web server on Desktop - on his 
own web server in his own language
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1900]
another mad mad  ;-)
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1901x3]
Dunno, at least this one is not business critical. A decade ago, 
Syllable's forerunner was already running as a public web/FTP/CVS 
server
Was slashdotted several times without going down
I did just get the OpenSSH server going on Desktop. A long standing 
request from these server operators
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1904x3]
the reason I want to try out syllable is that it seems to align with 
much of the sane Amiga principles while sheding those which seemed 
more closely related to religion.
would be nice to try to get the latest mesa project running on it 
with the gallium driver model.  that would get you HW accelerated 
gfx without the need for your own HW drivers.
(once I have a bit more C/C++ under my belt, I might see if that's 
at all possible).
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1907]
Yup
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1908]
is syllable GPL or MIT/BSD ?
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1909x2]
If you could settle for an FTP server you could try Desktop, but 
you can't trust your files to be safe
LGPL, mainly, so you can run closed software on it
Maxim
13-Dec-2009
[1911]
ok.  LGPL is a "fair" license.  if you edit others work, you help 
them back, but your not *forced* to have them leverage your work 
for free
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1912]
Yup
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1913]
Depending on linking issues, of course. Fortunately the R3 host kit 
seems to be compatible with that linking model :)