World: r3wp

the first is as fast as a bee stuck in molasses, while the later, 
well it just sucks.  ;-)

There is someone running a public web server on Desktop - on his 
own web server in his own language

another mad mad  ;-)

Dunno, at least this one is not business critical. A decade ago, 
Syllable's forerunner was already running as a public web/FTP/CVS 
server

Was slashdotted several times without going down

I did just get the OpenSSH server going on Desktop. A long standing 
request from these server operators

the reason I want to try out syllable is that it seems to align with 
much of the sane Amiga principles while sheding those which seemed 
more closely related to religion.

would be nice to try to get the latest mesa project running on it 
with the gallium driver model.  that would get you HW accelerated 
gfx without the need for your own HW drivers.

(once I have a bit more C/C++ under my belt, I might see if that's 
at all possible).

Yup

is syllable GPL or MIT/BSD ?

If you could settle for an FTP server you could try Desktop, but 
you can't trust your files to be safe

LGPL, mainly, so you can run closed software on it

ok.  LGPL is a "fair" license.  if you edit others work, you help 
them back, but your not *forced* to have them leverage your work 
for free

Yup

Depending on linking issues, of course. Fortunately the R3 host kit 
seems to be compatible with that linking model :)

That will depend on the still-to-be-revealed two licenses

I mean architecturally compatible: Dynamic linking with a clean integration 
interface.

Yes

I think that many ppl will be disappointed by licences. There's some 
hint already in Host related wiki document ... imo the licence will 
prevent R3 Clone DLL to work with host .... but I would be glad if 
it would not be so ...

Though that would be bad on principle, in practice we don't want 
to encourage cloning - it could lead to dividing the community. It's 
better to cooperate than to compete in this case. The main license 
restriction that would hurt us is anything that would prevent us 
from cloning the host code, since that is basically what every host 
code port is.

Clones are good if they don't fork the development effort. As long 
as clone code can be reintegrated into the original, cool.

the point of the host is not to start your own rebol, but to allow 
rebol to work in your stuff.  that, I think, should be emphasized 
within the documentation/web site when it will all be official and 
"a product".

going OT we are in syllable group, and I think now is not the time 
for a license debate.

To the contrary, it's extremely important to Syllable

The project almost exploded over it two years ago, and I've been 
in dire straits since

Wasn't Syllable derived from Atheos, which was GPL iirc? How did 
yo manage to switch to LGPL?

We didn't switch; it was always like this

When you say "LGPL", it will echo "GPL" in the heads of free software 
zealots and "evil" in the heads of anti free software zealots

I guess I didn't recall correctly. I remrmber that the original developer 
of Atheos used the GPL to prevent anyone from making commercial clones 
of his operating system, then abandoned it. Syllable was the result 
of that. I guess I remember wrong.

What he said was that he would abandon it in favour of BSD if the 
GPL zealots kept nagging him

ok, but part of the point for me is that the license isn't yet finalized 
and a direct discussion between you and Carl, is going to be much 
more effective at making the host suitable to your needs than us 
assuming and argumenting about it.


Contrary to what many might think, Carl is quite open to suggestions. 
  When the case and reasoning for it is founded and logical, he has 
rarely been, if ever, at odds with anything I've suggested.

Syllable was the result of him simply disappearing

So he relicensed as LGPL? Good for him :)

NO: it was always like this

That is what I meant by "abandoned".

Him disappearing.

There was NO LICENSE ABANDONMENT

No, project abandonment.

Does syllable run on ARM v5 instruction set?

The Syllable libraries are LGPL, so that it is a platform for all 
software. This includes GNU's C library

Ah, the libraries. That fits then.

The applications are GPL, because noone needs to build on them, anyway

When Ohloh analysed our code, it turned out we're predominantly LGPL. 
(While Haiku, which chose to be MIT, is predominantly GPL in practice)

And no, there is only Syllable for 32 bit Intel

what's the smallest server footprint in mb?

Well, the R3 host code license needs to allow LGPL licensed hosts 
- that is what I was talking about earlier. If there are restrictions 
in the host code license that would prevent that, it would be a problem 
for platforms like Syllable with LGPL libraries.

( shame ..all these plug computers which are being used as stealth 
servers are using ARM processors )

If you're talking about Syllable Server, that is 370 MB installed 
for the 0.3 version. It is currently growing, but I also did a test 
build for a stripped cloud server that was around 250 MB

And ram requirements?