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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1932]
NO: it was always like this
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1933x2]
That is what I meant by "abandoned".
Him disappearing.
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1935]
There was NO LICENSE ABANDONMENT
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1936]
No, project abandonment.
Graham
13-Dec-2009
[1937]
Does syllable run on ARM v5 instruction set?
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1938]
The Syllable libraries are LGPL, so that it is a platform for all 
software. This includes GNU's C library
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1939]
Ah, the libraries. That fits then.
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1940x3]
The applications are GPL, because noone needs to build on them, anyway
When Ohloh analysed our code, it turned out we're predominantly LGPL. 
(While Haiku, which chose to be MIT, is predominantly GPL in practice)
And no, there is only Syllable for 32 bit Intel
Graham
13-Dec-2009
[1943]
what's the smallest server footprint in mb?
BrianH
13-Dec-2009
[1944]
Well, the R3 host code license needs to allow LGPL licensed hosts 
- that is what I was talking about earlier. If there are restrictions 
in the host code license that would prevent that, it would be a problem 
for platforms like Syllable with LGPL libraries.
Graham
13-Dec-2009
[1945]
( shame ..all these plug computers which are being used as stealth 
servers are using ARM processors )
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1946]
If you're talking about Syllable Server, that is 370 MB installed 
for the 0.3 version. It is currently growing, but I also did a test 
build for a stripped cloud server that was around 250 MB
Graham
13-Dec-2009
[1947x2]
And ram requirements?
How well does it treat NAND ?
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1949x4]
Depends greatly on where you load it and what you run
On a 192 MB machine, it starts up using 13 MB. On a 768 MB machine, 
it uses 21 MB for itself
I'm running a number of websites on Cheyenne fairly comfortably within 
64 MB
What's the context for NAND?
Graham
13-Dec-2009
[1953x2]
Does it need to write to disk frequently?
I think I read somewhere that some of these linuces are optimized 
to reduce disk writes ...
Kaj
13-Dec-2009
[1955x5]
Oh, flash. Syllable Desktop is very silent in terms of disk writes, 
and Server doesn't carry many more processes
It's just the standard system logging going on, but there's no specific 
support such as an SSD filesystem
Again, it will depend on what you install on it, but there are no 
gross background processes going on such as on other systems
Brian, yes, we need LGPL compatibility, but for even deeper reasons
Graham, I intend to port Server to ARM, but it's only a plan right 
now
Graham
13-Dec-2009
[1960]
I don't have an ARM based PC yet .. but that is going to be my next 
purchase :)
Paul
14-Dec-2009
[1961]
Tried to load syllable on virtualbox yesterday.  Does syllable support 
virtual clients?
Kaj
14-Dec-2009
[1962x3]
Yes, did you download our VMware image?
VirtualBox is weird, though; it works less well than VMware and QEmu
If you don't feed it the VMware image, you must at least choose the 
VirtualBox installation option
Paul
14-Dec-2009
[1965]
I didn't Kaj, I will try again.
Kaj
15-Dec-2009
[1966]
There's more information about this in the startup menu, on our download 
page and in our FAQ
Kaj
21-Dec-2009
[1967x2]
Published the R3 "port" on OSNews:
http://www.osnews.com/story/22639/REBOL_3_Runs_on_Syllable_Desktop
Alan
22-Dec-2009
[1969]
Kaj: you got a mention here : http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-operating-systems-you-ve-never-heard-of-657469
Kaj
22-Dec-2009
[1970x2]
Ah cool - or maybe not :-)
Oh, that's Mike Saunders, our regular reporter, but this is the first 
time I see him writing here
Kaj
23-Dec-2009
[1972]
It means we've also been in the PCPlus print magazine. Michael has 
been writing us up for years in the Linux Format magazine
Kaj
6-May-2010
[1973x4]
As I've hinted above, I've been working on a graphical desktop version 
of Syllable Server. I have a preview available now
It contains REBOL/View 2.7.7, Boron, ORCA, AltME, the development 
version of Cheyenne with WebSockets, QuarterMaster, REBOL/Services 
and some smaller things such as Doc's MySQL driver, all preconfigured
More standard inclusions are Firefox 3.5, Flash, Thunderbird and 
XFMedia
It's built on top of Syllable Server, so you can also use it as an 
easily approachable server
Maxim
6-May-2010
[1977]
good work kaj   :-)
Kaj
6-May-2010
[1978x3]
We're now running our desktops, laptops and our AltME server on it
Thanks
If you're interested in the preview, contact me privately here for 
the download link
Maxim
6-May-2010
[1981]
I'd like to have more time.