World: r3wp
[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1940x3] | The applications are GPL, because noone needs to build on them, anyway |
When Ohloh analysed our code, it turned out we're predominantly LGPL. (While Haiku, which chose to be MIT, is predominantly GPL in practice) | |
And no, there is only Syllable for 32 bit Intel | |
Graham 13-Dec-2009 [1943] | what's the smallest server footprint in mb? |
BrianH 13-Dec-2009 [1944] | Well, the R3 host code license needs to allow LGPL licensed hosts - that is what I was talking about earlier. If there are restrictions in the host code license that would prevent that, it would be a problem for platforms like Syllable with LGPL libraries. |
Graham 13-Dec-2009 [1945] | ( shame ..all these plug computers which are being used as stealth servers are using ARM processors ) |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1946] | If you're talking about Syllable Server, that is 370 MB installed for the 0.3 version. It is currently growing, but I also did a test build for a stripped cloud server that was around 250 MB |
Graham 13-Dec-2009 [1947x2] | And ram requirements? |
How well does it treat NAND ? | |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1949x4] | Depends greatly on where you load it and what you run |
On a 192 MB machine, it starts up using 13 MB. On a 768 MB machine, it uses 21 MB for itself | |
I'm running a number of websites on Cheyenne fairly comfortably within 64 MB | |
What's the context for NAND? | |
Graham 13-Dec-2009 [1953x2] | Does it need to write to disk frequently? |
I think I read somewhere that some of these linuces are optimized to reduce disk writes ... | |
Kaj 13-Dec-2009 [1955x5] | Oh, flash. Syllable Desktop is very silent in terms of disk writes, and Server doesn't carry many more processes |
It's just the standard system logging going on, but there's no specific support such as an SSD filesystem | |
Again, it will depend on what you install on it, but there are no gross background processes going on such as on other systems | |
Brian, yes, we need LGPL compatibility, but for even deeper reasons | |
Graham, I intend to port Server to ARM, but it's only a plan right now | |
Graham 13-Dec-2009 [1960] | I don't have an ARM based PC yet .. but that is going to be my next purchase :) |
Paul 14-Dec-2009 [1961] | Tried to load syllable on virtualbox yesterday. Does syllable support virtual clients? |
Kaj 14-Dec-2009 [1962x3] | Yes, did you download our VMware image? |
VirtualBox is weird, though; it works less well than VMware and QEmu | |
If you don't feed it the VMware image, you must at least choose the VirtualBox installation option | |
Paul 14-Dec-2009 [1965] | I didn't Kaj, I will try again. |
Kaj 15-Dec-2009 [1966] | There's more information about this in the startup menu, on our download page and in our FAQ |
Kaj 21-Dec-2009 [1967x2] | Published the R3 "port" on OSNews: |
http://www.osnews.com/story/22639/REBOL_3_Runs_on_Syllable_Desktop | |
Alan 22-Dec-2009 [1969] | Kaj: you got a mention here : http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-operating-systems-you-ve-never-heard-of-657469 |
Kaj 22-Dec-2009 [1970x2] | Ah cool - or maybe not :-) |
Oh, that's Mike Saunders, our regular reporter, but this is the first time I see him writing here | |
Kaj 23-Dec-2009 [1972] | It means we've also been in the PCPlus print magazine. Michael has been writing us up for years in the Linux Format magazine |
Kaj 6-May-2010 [1973x4] | As I've hinted above, I've been working on a graphical desktop version of Syllable Server. I have a preview available now |
It contains REBOL/View 2.7.7, Boron, ORCA, AltME, the development version of Cheyenne with WebSockets, QuarterMaster, REBOL/Services and some smaller things such as Doc's MySQL driver, all preconfigured | |
More standard inclusions are Firefox 3.5, Flash, Thunderbird and XFMedia | |
It's built on top of Syllable Server, so you can also use it as an easily approachable server | |
Maxim 6-May-2010 [1977] | good work kaj :-) |
Kaj 6-May-2010 [1978x3] | We're now running our desktops, laptops and our AltME server on it |
Thanks | |
If you're interested in the preview, contact me privately here for the download link | |
Maxim 6-May-2010 [1981x2] | I'd like to have more time. |
I'm in a crunch right now. | |
Kaj 6-May-2010 [1983x2] | The download is 260 MB and the installed footprint is 1.5 GB |
Minimum required memory is 64 MB | |
Graham 6-May-2010 [1985] | Graphical desktop server version? To replace the desktop desktop version?? |
Kaj 7-May-2010 [1986x3] | No, it's additional. We've long planned the graphical Linux to force a migration path for Syllable Desktop |
They're developed in lockstep, so most of the work I do on the Linux systems also goes into Desktop | |
There will also be a separate name for the desktop Linux, but I'll keep that under wraps for now | |
Gregg 13-May-2010 [1989] | Thanks for the update Kaj! |
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