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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

Kaj
8-Jun-2010
[2014]
I love turning machines that were discarded as a firewall appliance 
into worldwide groupware servers :-)
Graham
8-Jun-2010
[2015]
So, doing a screencast of a vm installation on virtualbox might take 
less than 15 mins which you don't have?  :)
Kaj
8-Jun-2010
[2016x4]
That was the graphical version, mind you. It would unpack Server 
in five minutes
You asked about installation, not about making a screencast
I make operating systems, not movies, so I'd have to arrange a film 
education for myself
Hence, a perfect opportunity for a volunteer with the right qualifications
Graham
8-Jun-2010
[2020]
screencast to me just means copying the screen as you do things .. 
doesn't imply the need for sound or anything else unless you want 
to get fancy.
Kaj
8-Jun-2010
[2021]
Sounds like you have the right qualifications and computer setup, 
then
Graham
8-Jun-2010
[2022]
not the right qualifications
Kaj
8-Jun-2010
[2023]
Well, to be honest, the entire Server manual after the installation 
is pretty much like the installation section, so someone who needs 
a screencast to get through the installation would also need a screencast 
for every aspect of operation after that
Kaj
9-Jun-2010
[2024x2]
Now it's on DistroWatch:
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06126
Kaj
10-Jun-2010
[2026x2]
With this release we've entered the month ranking at place 100 after 
a day:
http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
Kaj
1-Jul-2010
[2028]
We've topped out at position 57 in the above DistroWatch month list
NickA
1-Jul-2010
[2029]
CongratsKaj :)
Kaj
1-Jul-2010
[2030]
Thanks
ddharing
13-Aug-2010
[2031x2]
Is it possible to put the bootable ISO image onto a USB key to install 
from that? I would like to try both Syllable Desktop and Server on 
my Acer Aspire One. It doesn't have a CD-ROM, though.
It's a netbook.
Kaj
14-Aug-2010
[2033x9]
Sorry, not yet. We've been working towards installing from and to 
USB sticks, but it's not complete yet. Syllable Desktop can install 
from a USB CD player with the regular install CD, so that's the normal 
way to install on a netbook or other machine without a built-in CD 
player
We don't have an install image to put on a USB stick to install from 
there, but the steps from a USB install CD should be small. There 
is some preparation for it on the install CD, so if you know your 
way around such things you could try to complete that configuration
However, there's still a limitation in Syllable Desktop involved:
http://web.syllable.org/news/2009-10-27-21-08-Acer-Aspire-One-ASUS-EeePC-USB-installation-targets.html
The situation with Syllable Server is much easier, although at the 
same time a bit more difficult. It doesn't have an installer yet, 
so although the installation procedure is clear and straightforward, 
it's manual. But that also means you can move the installation package 
from anywhere to anywhere
If you can manage to make an extra partition on your netbook you 
could even install Syllable Server from the included Linux (if you 
have that installed)
I tried to install the older Syllable Server 0.3 on an EeePC once 
on the second, external storage card. That's accessed as a USB device 
and Server didn't have the complete support for that. So it's likely 
that you need to install on a partition on the main storage (which 
is accessed as an ATA drive even if it is a memory chip)
If you don't have Linux or want to use the entire netbook drive, 
you can boot from some Linux live USB stick and handle the Syllable 
Server installation package from there
There are ways to do installations that are not possible in the above 
ways, but they are more complicated. You could start the install 
CD in a virtual machine after you have mounted a physical disk or 
partition in the VM, and install to that. Then afterwards, you'd 
have to configure the bootloader on the physical disk to start that 
installation
ddharing
14-Aug-2010
[2042]
Kaj, thanks for the advice.
Graham
22-Aug-2010
[2043]
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

for creating usb bootable distros
Kaj
23-Aug-2010
[2044x2]
This works by installing SysLinux, so it may work with Syllable Server, 
but not with Syllable Desktop
For Server it's not needed, so although it's an interesting project, 
it works no magic for us
ddharing
23-Aug-2010
[2046x2]
I tried that tool with Syllable Server and couldn't get it to work, 
but it's very possible that I was doing something wrong.
I just got Syllable Server running on an old 2003 Dell laptop today. 
Very snappy performance and easy on memory usage.
Kaj
24-Aug-2010
[2048x3]
Congratulations, and thanks for the report. Unetbootin is dependent 
on the particularities of a Linux distro, so it's quite possible 
that it wouldn't work with the current Syllable Server
Specifically, Syllable's filesystem layout is quite innovative, so 
Unetbootin probably can't find the files it needs
By the way, if all else fails, you could run Syllable Desktop on 
the QEmu included in Syllable Server
ddharing
25-Aug-2010
[2051]
When running the graphical version of Links (i.e. linksg), every 
keypress is printed twice to the screen. Has anyone had this issue 
before? The mouse works fine.
ddharing
26-Aug-2010
[2052]
Kaj, if you had to do an elevator pitch for Syllable Server, how 
would you set it apart from all of the other Linux distributions? 
That is what the perception will be because Syllable Server has a 
Linux kernel.
Kaj
26-Aug-2010
[2053x7]
That keyboard issue is very odd, although I have seen keyboard problems 
in other situations during development. That usually happens when 
the system is in an incorrect state during heavy system development. 
I would also expect such things on emulators, but this installation 
is on real hardware, right?
Elevator pitches depend on the person you give them to. If someone 
knows Syllable Desktop, you can tell them that Server has the same 
base, so the same advantages in simplicity, clear system layout and 
software management. We mean to make as much Syllable Desktop software 
as we can also available on Server
Linux people can be told that Server is among the leanest and easiest 
general-purpose Linux distros. Most lean and easy distros are very 
task-specific, while most general-purpose distros have become quite 
bloated or are still hard to configure
Of course, some of this is still in the future, because Server is 
still only a console server
For REBOL people, Server is the only Linux distro that caters to 
their needs, shipping a collection of REBOL software preconfigured, 
including Boron and ORCA. The latter are hard to try out when you 
have to install them yourself, and because most REBOL people come 
from Windows, they generally have a hard time installing and configuring 
a REBOL server when they want to use Linux
Have you seen our About page?
http://web.syllable.org/pages/about.html#Server
Graham
26-Aug-2010
[2060]
in that case, wouldn't they find installing Syllable server even 
harder?
Kaj
26-Aug-2010
[2061x3]
Not necessarily compared to other Linux distros. And after that, 
much REBOL software is ready to go right away
Even just finding that software and the latest versions may be harder 
than installing Syllable Server
I know of several people with very limited computer skills who have 
managed to install Server on their own