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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2014] | I love turning machines that were discarded as a firewall appliance into worldwide groupware servers :-) |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2015] | So, doing a screencast of a vm installation on virtualbox might take less than 15 mins which you don't have? :) |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2016x4] | That was the graphical version, mind you. It would unpack Server in five minutes |
You asked about installation, not about making a screencast | |
I make operating systems, not movies, so I'd have to arrange a film education for myself | |
Hence, a perfect opportunity for a volunteer with the right qualifications | |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2020] | screencast to me just means copying the screen as you do things .. doesn't imply the need for sound or anything else unless you want to get fancy. |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2021] | Sounds like you have the right qualifications and computer setup, then |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2022] | not the right qualifications |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2023] | Well, to be honest, the entire Server manual after the installation is pretty much like the installation section, so someone who needs a screencast to get through the installation would also need a screencast for every aspect of operation after that |
Kaj 9-Jun-2010 [2024x2] | Now it's on DistroWatch: |
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06126 | |
Kaj 10-Jun-2010 [2026x2] | With this release we've entered the month ranking at place 100 after a day: |
http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity | |
Kaj 1-Jul-2010 [2028] | We've topped out at position 57 in the above DistroWatch month list |
NickA 1-Jul-2010 [2029] | CongratsKaj :) |
Kaj 1-Jul-2010 [2030] | Thanks |
ddharing 13-Aug-2010 [2031x2] | Is it possible to put the bootable ISO image onto a USB key to install from that? I would like to try both Syllable Desktop and Server on my Acer Aspire One. It doesn't have a CD-ROM, though. |
It's a netbook. | |
Kaj 14-Aug-2010 [2033x9] | Sorry, not yet. We've been working towards installing from and to USB sticks, but it's not complete yet. Syllable Desktop can install from a USB CD player with the regular install CD, so that's the normal way to install on a netbook or other machine without a built-in CD player |
We don't have an install image to put on a USB stick to install from there, but the steps from a USB install CD should be small. There is some preparation for it on the install CD, so if you know your way around such things you could try to complete that configuration | |
However, there's still a limitation in Syllable Desktop involved: | |
http://web.syllable.org/news/2009-10-27-21-08-Acer-Aspire-One-ASUS-EeePC-USB-installation-targets.html | |
The situation with Syllable Server is much easier, although at the same time a bit more difficult. It doesn't have an installer yet, so although the installation procedure is clear and straightforward, it's manual. But that also means you can move the installation package from anywhere to anywhere | |
If you can manage to make an extra partition on your netbook you could even install Syllable Server from the included Linux (if you have that installed) | |
I tried to install the older Syllable Server 0.3 on an EeePC once on the second, external storage card. That's accessed as a USB device and Server didn't have the complete support for that. So it's likely that you need to install on a partition on the main storage (which is accessed as an ATA drive even if it is a memory chip) | |
If you don't have Linux or want to use the entire netbook drive, you can boot from some Linux live USB stick and handle the Syllable Server installation package from there | |
There are ways to do installations that are not possible in the above ways, but they are more complicated. You could start the install CD in a virtual machine after you have mounted a physical disk or partition in the VM, and install to that. Then afterwards, you'd have to configure the bootloader on the physical disk to start that installation | |
ddharing 14-Aug-2010 [2042] | Kaj, thanks for the advice. |
Graham 22-Aug-2010 [2043] | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ for creating usb bootable distros |
Kaj 23-Aug-2010 [2044x2] | This works by installing SysLinux, so it may work with Syllable Server, but not with Syllable Desktop |
For Server it's not needed, so although it's an interesting project, it works no magic for us | |
ddharing 23-Aug-2010 [2046x2] | I tried that tool with Syllable Server and couldn't get it to work, but it's very possible that I was doing something wrong. |
I just got Syllable Server running on an old 2003 Dell laptop today. Very snappy performance and easy on memory usage. | |
Kaj 24-Aug-2010 [2048x3] | Congratulations, and thanks for the report. Unetbootin is dependent on the particularities of a Linux distro, so it's quite possible that it wouldn't work with the current Syllable Server |
Specifically, Syllable's filesystem layout is quite innovative, so Unetbootin probably can't find the files it needs | |
By the way, if all else fails, you could run Syllable Desktop on the QEmu included in Syllable Server | |
ddharing 25-Aug-2010 [2051] | When running the graphical version of Links (i.e. linksg), every keypress is printed twice to the screen. Has anyone had this issue before? The mouse works fine. |
ddharing 26-Aug-2010 [2052] | Kaj, if you had to do an elevator pitch for Syllable Server, how would you set it apart from all of the other Linux distributions? That is what the perception will be because Syllable Server has a Linux kernel. |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2053x7] | That keyboard issue is very odd, although I have seen keyboard problems in other situations during development. That usually happens when the system is in an incorrect state during heavy system development. I would also expect such things on emulators, but this installation is on real hardware, right? |
Elevator pitches depend on the person you give them to. If someone knows Syllable Desktop, you can tell them that Server has the same base, so the same advantages in simplicity, clear system layout and software management. We mean to make as much Syllable Desktop software as we can also available on Server | |
Linux people can be told that Server is among the leanest and easiest general-purpose Linux distros. Most lean and easy distros are very task-specific, while most general-purpose distros have become quite bloated or are still hard to configure | |
Of course, some of this is still in the future, because Server is still only a console server | |
For REBOL people, Server is the only Linux distro that caters to their needs, shipping a collection of REBOL software preconfigured, including Boron and ORCA. The latter are hard to try out when you have to install them yourself, and because most REBOL people come from Windows, they generally have a hard time installing and configuring a REBOL server when they want to use Linux | |
Have you seen our About page? | |
http://web.syllable.org/pages/about.html#Server | |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2060] | in that case, wouldn't they find installing Syllable server even harder? |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2061x3] | Not necessarily compared to other Linux distros. And after that, much REBOL software is ready to go right away |
Even just finding that software and the latest versions may be harder than installing Syllable Server | |
I know of several people with very limited computer skills who have managed to install Server on their own | |
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