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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2060] | in that case, wouldn't they find installing Syllable server even harder? |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2061x4] | Not necessarily compared to other Linux distros. And after that, much REBOL software is ready to go right away |
Even just finding that software and the latest versions may be harder than installing Syllable Server | |
I know of several people with very limited computer skills who have managed to install Server on their own | |
Then again, I don't know of any elevator pitch that would appeal to you, Graham ;-) | |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2065x3] | Kaj, I've downloaded the syllable desktop 3x now ... I think that's a pretty good response to your advertizing here. |
Of course, it just happened to be the same VM 3x unchanged since way back ... | |
so I was no wiser... | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2068] | Sure, but your question was about Syllable Server. Then again, there are probably tens of thousands of people who did manage to install Syllable Desktop |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2069x6] | I think you said syllable server installation would be too hard for me .. I believed you! |
see ... I'm quite amenable to elevator talk | |
To run syllable server, I personally need 1. ghostscript 2. hylaFAX 3. oracle or mysql 4. jira 5. pmwiki 6. apache 7. cheyenne | |
without my having to recompile anything ... | |
And maybe Vsphere one day | |
unless that uses its own os | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2075] | Well, no, it's clear that Server is not that system, but then, there is no system that fills those requirements, so if you cling to them you will never be fulfilled |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2076x3] | I run all of the above on Ubuntu server .. no probs |
ie. those are the apps I currently run on Ubuntu server | |
oh .. and OpenSSH server | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2079] | Sure, but they didn't come out of the box. So why is it difficult to accept the same for Syllable? |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2080x4] | I didn't say out of the box .. I said without my having to recompile. |
I just use apt-get and install | |
or aptitude | |
sorry .. and dropbox for backup | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2084] | Well, I've been working on that all year. As I said before, we're not in Nirvana yet. The latest Server 0.4 was prepared to be a platform for third-party package managers. I've been running binaries from three other package managers in addition to our own, but this is a difficult topic, so they're not ready for release yet |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2085x2] | You perceive me as difficult .. but I'm a windows guy forced to struggle along with linux :( |
so I want as easy as possible | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2087x2] | In the meantime, Server is its own system, usable for what is is |
what it is | |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2089] | should call it Que Sera server :) |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2090] | As I've tried to make clear, Syllable is targeted at people who want to use open source and Linux but in an easier way. But this is a huge and ambitious task, and we are as far as we are. If you want more, you have two options: helping or waiting |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2091x2] | Ok, I'm just letting you know at which point I'd be interested ... |
The thing about Ubuntu is .. not that it's any better or worse than anything else, but I can google a problem and always find an answer | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2093] | OK. Anyway, if you have all your apps without problems on Ubuntu, I suppose there is no problem |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2094x2] | Yep, I've got three ubuntu servers running 24/7 |
and I've setup ubuntu to run HylaFAX servers for a number of people too | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2096] | Please note that David asked me for elevator pitches. In an elevator pitch, one usually sheds light on what a project can do, not what it cannot do |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2097] | Server is among the leanest and easiest general-purpose Linux distros. |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2098] | Also, we're not very interested in generically replacing other systems. Syllable's goal is to create new systems with their own personality and strengths |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2099x2] | So, what exactly are people using it for if not one of the things I need? |
Do you have case histories? | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2101] | We're running it on our servers, desktops and laptops |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2102x2] | as web server? |
and ? | |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2104] | Yes. On our personal machines, we're doing development and office-type work. On our servers, we're running AltME and Cheyenne with supporting servers such as OpenSSH and FTP. We also have BitTorrents running to support Syllable downloads |
Graham 26-Aug-2010 [2105] | sftp ? |
Kaj 26-Aug-2010 [2106] | That should work, as it's included in OpenSSH, but I haven't tried it yet. People are FTPing their websites to us from REBOL on Windows and Mac, so no SFTP there, and the data will be public, anyway |
ddharing 27-Aug-2010 [2107x3] | Kaj, I have looked closely at your website, but I wanted to see if I could get some additional insight from the man himself. |
We're in the process of moving our REBOL-based ASCADA software from Windows to Linux. We already have a successful deployment at DHL using CentOS. I want to standardize on industrial PCs such as the Advantech UNO1170E running a lightweight Linux and our software. I'm evaluating Syllable Server even though it is only at 0.4 because it is console-based and REBOL friendly out of the box. | |
My Linux admin skills are not great . I spent several days of off-an-on attempts to get Syllable Server running. Now that I'm past the worst part of the learning curve, it's pretty easy. I just did another install on an Aspire One Netbook in about 15-20 minutes. I'm using Puppy LInux on a USB stick to partition and format the drive, run Grub and edit the text files. | |
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