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/resources/my-package/tasks/setup/

Once the directory structure is set up, a most common start script 
could be edited like this:

s mcedit /resources/my-package/start/my-package.sh

Once all the files are in the package, you need to register it:

s package register my-package

It's then symlinked into the main package pool. You can see all the 
registered Syllable-style start scripts here:

ll /resources/index/tasks/start/

All those start scripts are called during system startup from the 
Linux From Scratch start scripts

The setup scripts are called from /etc/profile, so typically at system 
startup and at each user log-in into a console shell

Sorry, forgot the tasks directory in the start script:

/resources/my-package/tasks/start/my-package.sh

Thanks, that's very helpful.

I will be documenting the installation and task configuration procedures 
as part of my project. The installation will be specific to our hardware. 
I will probably be able to roll that back to the Syllable community 
in some form.

That would be very nice

I've upgraded the Try REBOL website

The Linux is now a graphical development version based on Syllable 
Server 0.4. Cheyenne is much newer, almost the latest version. REBOL 
3 is much newer, the latest version for Linux, which is Alpha 99

http://tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl/

Looks good. Very snappy.

How is the graphical version of Server coming along?

What kind of hardware is "Try REBOL" running on?

PC ... of some kind :-)

Kaj - what is the vitality of Syllable project? Still the same team 
size, etc.?

No, it's always changing over the years, but generally, the size 
is still the same

For example, the first goal for a graphical server was to port the 
Syllable Desktop GUI to Server, but that project is stalled for the 
moment being because the developer is gone

So the easiest way to do it now is to just use X11, which we eventually 
needed to have, anyway

So the current graphical development version of Server uses X11 and 
the ROX desktop, installed from GoboLinux binaries for now because 
that's also a faster route

But using binaries from others gives you less control over them, 
so there are integration problems that mean the quality is not high 
enough yet to release this Syllable version

That snappy Try REBOL site is running on an old 650 MHz Pentium 3 
with 128 MB of memory. :-) The website itself is quite inefficient 
compared to regular sites, because each REBOL evaluation request 
needs to be run in its own Linux process under a separate user account 
for security

There are also other websites running on that machine. In general, 
Cheyenne makes them quite responsive. For example, it responds very 
well to a heavily loaded machine. You can fully load the machine 
with other tasks without noticing it in the responsiveness of the 
websites. In my mind, this is quite like the general behaviour of 
Syllable Desktop and earlier systems such as BeOS and Amiga

To see for yourself, try

call "uname -a"

the compare function is really cool  :-)

Thanks. :-) I thought it would be a nice touch

Very nice Kaj.

Kaj, is Ruud Kuin still involved with the Syllable project? I see 
that he produced the newsletter for a while.

Is Kristian Van Der Vliet still leading the software development? 
Besides yourself, I'm just wondering who is currently leading the 
Syllable project.

Kristian has been away since early this year, so I'm currently leading 
the project

Ruud is watching from a distance. Like most people, he was surpsised 
by the time and effort it takes to develop a project like this. When 
he didn't get the contributions he had hoped for his newsletters, 
he decided to take a step back

So it almost seems, like it is turning into being a few man show? 
Kind of AROS syndrome?

Always has been, as I told many times

Syllable was never big, because it never had a legacy system and 
community to build on

We found out that it's hard for people to get that into their heads, 
because they compare us with those other projects, and the impression 
we make is of a project that they think must be much bigger

Do you know developers base of Haiku? Is that similar to Syllable, 
or bigger?

It used to be quite similar, but since they finally made an alpha 
release last year, it has been growing

Yes, they are in Alpha2 stage, but I can't see much happening publicly 
yet ...

It used to make a bigger impression than Syllable because they listed 
many names from the BeOS community, but those were just inactive 
after finding out the effort involved. Since their release, some 
of this old community is finally being reactivated

Still, there are very few people who can do systems work, so those 
are still very few, and they're still behind Syllable in some areas. 
But there are more people now who bother working on applications

Carl is probably hoping the sleeper Rebol community is going to waken 
too

For R3, yes, but after he has willingly destroyed it for R2

What is the state of Syllable Server vs the Syllable Desktop? I mean 
- does Desktop gets any attention?