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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Kaj 22-Sep-2010 [2232] | Must be a very old or overloaded Linux then, to run View on 24 MB |
Kaj 23-Sep-2010 [2233x4] | Syllable Desktop has the first article of a series of I think two in PCLinuxOS magazine: |
http://pclosmag.com | |
Especially for Graham, it has a screenshot tour of installing the operating system ;-) | |
http://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201009/page09.html | |
ddharing 24-Sep-2010 [2237] | Kaj, do you have a favorite Live CD Linux that you use to install Syllable Server. I've been using Puppy Linux, but it doesn't have XZ-Utils or Reiser filesystem support in the default distribution. |
Kaj 24-Sep-2010 [2238x6] | I use TinyME, but it currently doesn't have a download, and the previous stable release of Wolvix, but it currently doesn't have a stable release and the new versions are much bigger |
Older distros are unlikely to have XZ-Utils, so I have an extra BZ2 version of the Syllable Server distro. Advantage if you're the distro author :-) | |
I'm eying ArchBang and the TinyME development releases to try out, but I don't know yet if they're suitable | |
SliTaz is also good, but in any case a year ago it didn't have ReiserFS | |
Anyway, a year ago I decided to stop distro hopping if at all possible, and try to develop Syllable Server so that I could work on it myself on all my machines; which I've now succeeded at apart from that installation CD | |
So that's one of the next targets to replace | |
ddharing 25-Sep-2010 [2244x4] | Have you ever evaluated TinyCore Linux? It's from the former developer of DSL (Damn Small Linux). On a modest Atom, it boots to a minimal desktop in about 7 seconds. Of course, it has almost nothing by default. The first thing you have to do is download packages of stuff you need. |
The footprint is 10 megs. Without X, it's only 6 megs. They call that one MicroCore. | |
http://tinycorelinux.com | |
I was looking at that one to build up just what's needed to install Syllable Server. | |
shadwolf 25-Sep-2010 [2248] | i tryed syllable in a VM box that's cool ...so actually there is 2 derivated from BeOS syllable desktop and Aiku. I would say Syllable is a step further than aiku. One question this OS seems to be pretty accurated for small environement. Do you plan to relase a netbook adapted syllable ? something like an ubuntu remix but adapted for syllable. |
Kaj 25-Sep-2010 [2249x5] | Syllable is already quite suited for netbooks, except that Syllable Desktop unfortunately still lacks some of the hardware support for some popular netbooks |
What would you want to change for a netbook? | |
I've been watching TinyCore, but it's so minimal that I don't have a use for it | |
It's more like a geek exercise in how far you can strip down a Linux distro | |
We have Syllable Desktop to boot in seven seconds, but even there the footprint is an order of magnitude larger because we want a functional system | |
Janko 25-Sep-2010 [2254] | can Syllable run on eeepc netbooks or are there some problems with drivers? |
Kaj 25-Sep-2010 [2255] | There are a few issues and limitations, different ones for Syllable Desktop and Syllable Server, but basically they work on EeePC |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2256] | I have an EeePC 901 that has been overused to the point of no longer working, so it is due for a redo and possible repurposing. Might Syllable be appropriate for such a machine? What hardware is unsupported, and how much space is taken by the OS? |
GrahamC 17-Dec-2010 [2257] | Syllable doesn't support wireless AFAIK ... |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2258] | Darn, that rules it out for me. |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2259x3] | Yes, I used to use wireless through a game console like adapter that appears like normal ethernet |
There are a few more gotchas on EeePC. They're fairly difficult machines. Acer One works better | |
Our USB 2 driver is buggy, but the USB 1 driver works on EeePC | |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2262] | Worse, this is one of those that has the two flash drives instead of one hard drive or flash drive. |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2263x2] | I don't remember exactly, but it may be that the full widescreen video size is not supported |
Two flash drives? Never read about that | |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2265] | Primary is 4GB, the other 8GB. Linux wasn't offered as an option on this one without changing the primary to 8GB. |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2266x2] | Syllable Desktop takes about 250 MB disk space: |
http://web.syllable.org/pages/about.html#Desktop | |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2268] | I have physically dropped this computer while it was running a few times without it even noticing. |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2269x2] | Yep, they're sturdy |
On a regular EeePC, there's an SSD disk and an extra card slot, which are swapped by the BIOS during booting | |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2271x2] | I think that this is what mine is like. |
I may have to just do a system restore and then redo my customizations and app removals, still stuck with XP. Annoying and slow, but this provides the greatest support and flexibility on this platform. I need my 802.11n and (for now) Hamachi. | |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2273] | Maybe the second SSD is on that second slot. In any case, this leads to weird drive swapping in the boot manager. The Syllable development build has a special installation entry that does that and disables USB 2, but there are some other omissions on the development build |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2274] | Has anyone tried to get Remobo or NeoRouter working on Syllable? The Linux ports might work... |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2275] | Never heard of those |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2276x2] | They are virtual LAN projects. Like a full LAN instead of just a point-to-point connection. Like Hamachi. |
I have many computers that I network together. All of these are using dynamic addresses, and most of them change physical locations often. Hamachi makes all of that go away - they seem like they're on the same switch with fixed IPs. | |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2278x2] | Remobo is closed source, so it couldn't be ported |
Ah, Hamachi is LogMein. They're advertising on our sites all the time :-) | |
BrianH 17-Dec-2010 [2280] | Hamachi only supports Windows well. Before they were bought by LogMeIn they were working on Mac and Linux versions, but not since then, and the old alphas use a different network protocol than modern Hamachi. This is why I've been looking for a decent replacement, but it is tough since there are no open-source equivalent projects. |
Kaj 17-Dec-2010 [2281] | Well, these projects sound like the OLPC software |
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