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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

Kaj
22-Sep-2010
[2232]
Must be a very old or overloaded Linux then, to run View on 24 MB
Kaj
23-Sep-2010
[2233x4]
Syllable Desktop has the first article of a series of I think two 
in PCLinuxOS magazine:
http://pclosmag.com
Especially for Graham, it has a screenshot tour of installing the 
operating system ;-)
http://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201009/page09.html
ddharing
24-Sep-2010
[2237]
Kaj, do you have a favorite Live CD Linux that you use to install 
Syllable Server. I've been using Puppy Linux, but it doesn't have 
XZ-Utils or Reiser filesystem support in the default distribution.
Kaj
24-Sep-2010
[2238x6]
I use TinyME, but it currently doesn't have a download, and the previous 
stable release of Wolvix, but it currently doesn't have a stable 
release and the new versions are much bigger
Older distros are unlikely to have XZ-Utils, so I have an extra BZ2 
version of the Syllable Server distro. Advantage if you're the distro 
author :-)
I'm eying ArchBang and the TinyME development releases to try out, 
but I don't know yet if they're suitable
SliTaz is also good, but in any case a year ago it didn't have ReiserFS
Anyway, a year ago I decided to stop distro hopping if at all possible, 
and try to develop Syllable Server so that I could work on it myself 
on all my machines; which I've now succeeded at apart from that installation 
CD
So that's one of the next targets to replace
ddharing
25-Sep-2010
[2244x4]
Have you ever evaluated TinyCore Linux? It's from the former developer 
of DSL (Damn Small Linux). On a modest Atom, it boots to a minimal 
desktop in about 7 seconds. Of course, it has almost nothing by default. 
The first thing you have to do is download packages of stuff you 
need.
The footprint is 10 megs. Without X, it's only 6 megs. They call 
that one MicroCore.
http://tinycorelinux.com
I was looking at that one to build up just what's needed to install 
Syllable Server.
shadwolf
25-Sep-2010
[2248]
i tryed syllable in a VM box  that's cool ...so actually there is 
 2 derivated from BeOS syllable desktop and Aiku. I would say Syllable 
is a step further than aiku. One question this OS seems to be  pretty 
accurated for small environement. Do you plan to relase a netbook 
adapted syllable ? something like an ubuntu remix but adapted for 
syllable.
Kaj
25-Sep-2010
[2249x5]
Syllable is already quite suited for netbooks, except that Syllable 
Desktop unfortunately still lacks some of the hardware support for 
some popular netbooks
What would you want to change for a netbook?
I've been watching TinyCore, but it's so minimal that I don't have 
a use for it
It's more like a geek exercise in how far you can strip down a Linux 
distro
We have Syllable Desktop to boot in seven seconds, but even there 
the footprint is an order of magnitude larger because we want a functional 
system
Janko
25-Sep-2010
[2254]
can Syllable run on eeepc netbooks or are there some problems with 
drivers?
Kaj
25-Sep-2010
[2255]
There are a few issues and limitations, different ones for Syllable 
Desktop and Syllable Server, but basically they work on EeePC
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2256]
I have an EeePC 901 that has been overused to the point of no longer 
working, so it is due for a redo and possible repurposing. Might 
Syllable be appropriate for such a machine? What hardware is unsupported, 
and how much space is taken by the OS?
GrahamC
17-Dec-2010
[2257]
Syllable doesn't support wireless AFAIK ...
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2258]
Darn, that rules it out for me.
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2259x3]
Yes, I used to use wireless through a game console like adapter that 
appears like normal ethernet
There are a few more gotchas on EeePC. They're fairly difficult machines. 
Acer One works better
Our USB 2 driver is buggy, but the USB 1 driver works on EeePC
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2262]
Worse, this is one of those that has the two flash drives instead 
of one hard drive or flash drive.
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2263x2]
I don't remember exactly, but it may be that the full widescreen 
video size is not supported
Two flash drives? Never read about that
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2265]
Primary is 4GB, the other 8GB. Linux wasn't offered as an option 
on this one without changing the primary to 8GB.
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2266x2]
Syllable Desktop takes about 250 MB disk space:
http://web.syllable.org/pages/about.html#Desktop
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2268]
I have physically dropped this computer while it was running a few 
times without it even noticing.
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2269x2]
Yep, they're sturdy
On a regular EeePC, there's an SSD disk and an extra card slot, which 
are swapped by the BIOS during booting
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2271x2]
I think that this is what mine is like.
I may have to just do a system restore and then redo my customizations 
and app removals, still stuck with XP. Annoying and slow, but this 
provides the greatest support and flexibility on this platform. I 
need my 802.11n and (for now) Hamachi.
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2273]
Maybe the second SSD is on that second slot. In any case, this leads 
to weird drive swapping in the boot manager. The Syllable development 
build has a special installation entry that does that and disables 
USB 2, but there are some other omissions on the development build
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2274]
Has anyone tried to get Remobo or NeoRouter working on Syllable? 
The Linux ports might work...
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2275]
Never heard of those
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2276x2]
They are virtual LAN projects. Like a full LAN instead of just a 
point-to-point connection. Like Hamachi.
I have many computers that I network together. All of these are using 
dynamic addresses, and most of them change physical locations often. 
Hamachi makes all of that go away - they seem like they're on the 
same switch with fixed IPs.
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2278x2]
Remobo is closed source, so it couldn't be ported
Ah, Hamachi is LogMein. They're advertising on our sites all the 
time :-)
BrianH
17-Dec-2010
[2280]
Hamachi only supports Windows well. Before they were bought by LogMeIn 
they were working on Mac and Linux versions, but not since then, 
and the old alphas use a different network protocol than modern Hamachi. 
This is why I've been looking for a decent replacement, but it is 
tough since there are no open-source equivalent projects.
Kaj
17-Dec-2010
[2281]
Well, these projects sound like the OLPC software