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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

Graham
7-Sep-2005
[236x2]
Original archive was 34.7 Mb, and recompressed with zip was 45.2 
Mb.
Howver, the time taken to search for a bzip2 decompressor, download 
and install, and then decompress was longer than the time it would 
have taken to download the extra 10Mb.  Maybe offer people  the choice 
of what archive they want.
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[238x2]
Well, you could always seed a Bittorrent tracker with that Zip you 
made
This is a DIY project. We don't even produce the live CD ourselves
Graham
7-Sep-2005
[240x2]
You might want to get someone to check the english.  It says "loginning 
in... "
I guess I need to read some docs, as there are two accounts - one 
user and one root.  Both require passwords.  I guessed the user account 
password of "guest".  Didn't know what the root password was.  Reached 
a low res screen, and network chipset not detected ( using a Centrino 
chipset ).
Gabriele
7-Sep-2005
[242x2]
there really is people who can't decompress bz2? :P
WinRAR can. the bzip2 utility can be downloaded for windows too. 
(you don't have wget? diff? bzip2? shame on you :P)
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[244x4]
I corrected the login text. Thanks for the report
The root password is "root" :-)
I guess you don't have bzip2 if you pay a few hundred bucks for the 
privilege of running Windows XP. Older Windows versions come with 
nothing, XP comes with Zip. Syllable comes for free with Zip, GZip 
and BZip2 installed, and the Archiver utility has more
640x480 Is the default screen setting. It doesn't upset monitors, 
and the login screen doesn't need more. Can you set a higher resolution: 
is your video chip supported?
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[248]
Does Syllable have some decent browser (CSS2, DHTML)? There is ABrowse, 
but I'm unable to find it's feature set.
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[249x3]
ABrowse is based on a recent version of the KHTML rendering engine 
from KDE's Konqueror
So that's the base feature set. The Syllable wrapper around it is 
not very featureful yet
ABrowse is starting to shape up nicely, though
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[252]
I've never seen Konqueror, but I've read something about KHTML
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[253x2]
Apple uses it in Safar, but we did that many years earlier :-)
Safari
Graham
7-Sep-2005
[255]
At least I can confirm that it boots quickly from cd.  

I was expecting to see the Amiga browser of the same name viz: ABrowse.
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[256]
Yeah, that's a historical coincidence :-)
Graham
7-Sep-2005
[257]
My Centrino laptop uses Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME graphics chip set 
... do you know if that is supported?
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[258x6]
Sounds like it should be supported:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/syllable/syllable/system/sys/appserver/appserver/drivers/video/
If you go to Syllable menu -> About -> Advanced -> Devices tab, you 
can see what's supported on your machine
Your chip is listed in this driver file, so it should work:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/syllable/syllable/system/sys/kernel/drivers/graphics/i855/driver.c?rev=1.2&view=auto
The fact alone that you have a picture probably means that the driver 
is active, because many laptops with integrated Intel video don't 
have VESA2 support in the BIOS, so there's nothing to fall back on 
for Syllable
Graham
7-Sep-2005
[264]
Maybe the live cd prevents me from changing video resolution?
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[265x3]
Can't you change it, then? You should at least be able to set a few 
more resolutions. With the VESA driver, the resolutions and refresh 
rate are just more limited
You do have to log in as root, though, to use most of the preference 
applets
That's something we should make more flexible, but I fear that most 
people are currently working as root
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[268]
Kaj, what about Open Office port? Is it possible?
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[269]
It will be an awful lot of work, but it should happen someday, and 
then we will really be in business
Graham
7-Sep-2005
[270]
probably .. but since I didn't know the root password, I was logged 
in as user.
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[271x2]
OpenOffice 2 is a good candidate, though, because they've made the 
GUI much more native
ABIWord will probably happen first, though
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[273]
Because what I expect from usable OS is: browser, communication tool 
(IRC, ICQ, ...), audio software, some office suite (it's needed sometimes), 
REBOL and some games (or UAE ;). That's what I'm using 99% of time.
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[274]
Pretty similar to my requirements. We're getting there, but it will 
take a while. We do have a stated goal for this year to get the system 
ready to be the primary system for ourselves
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[275]
that souns great
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[276x2]
We're on the virge of having reasonable browser, email, chat and 
SDL games. I believe UAE is a priority for our project leader. :-)
If you're familiar with a Unix command line, there are a lot of standard 
CLI and Curses apps you could use to fill the gaps
Graham
9-Sep-2005
[278]
Seems Carl has ported Rebol to run on Genesi's PegasosPPC - see blog. 
 Perhaps you might be in with a chance with Syllable?
Kaj
16-Sep-2005
[279x2]
That's just Core on PPC Linux. Both ports on PPC and on Linux were 
already done, so this is little more than saying that Core 2.6 still 
builds successfully on those systems
Still, porting Core to Syllable would likely not be very difficult
Graham
16-Sep-2005
[281x2]
Perhaps you might be able to persuade Carl then  if it is likely 
not too difficult.
Then Syllable can use core as default scripting language.
Kaj
16-Sep-2005
[283]
No, we couldn't. It would have to be open source. There's no point 
in Syllable being open source if we would accept closed source into 
the base system
Volker
20-Oct-2005
[284]
VMware offers free "player". Maybe that is a way to distribute syllable 
too? http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[285]
Yes, I saw it. It means that more people can try Syllable in VMware. 
We have a VMware image, but it's an old Syllable version. Someday 
somebody will update it