World: r3wp

Note that there's no speed option used in the LFS instructions

Kaj: there is a way to specify speed. When you pass a natural number 
as an option to pppd, it considers it as a speed (baud rate) setting.

OK, but do you need it, if LFS doesn't?

Syllable pppd complained about _pty_ having a 0 baud rate setting, 
which is invalid condition and pppd exits. Therefore I added a speed 
option.

But a virtual terminal pty0 is not what we want --- we need Ethernet 
card instead of pty. And to specify an Ethernet card, LFS instructions 
use "plugin rp-pppoe.so eth0"

pty, pseudo tty (terminal enulator).

Without this "plugin" line, pppd starts to send packets right into 
pty (i.e. to the screen).

I will try specifying "if" there, nevertheless. "man pppd" AFAIR 
says it's a privileged mode library

ppp_if is the kernel interface. It should be a virtual network interface. 
Could you check that it's installed in /system/drivers/net/if/ ?

I will reboot and try. AFAIU it's installed.

There.

If you didn't reboot yet, it's likely that the kernel module hasn't 
been loaded

I rebooted.

I'm not at Syllable as I cannot set up internet there.

Everything else is fully automatic. You shouldn't do anything with 
ppp_if

I am away rebooting.

Hm, the LFS example also uses RP. It's possible you can simply compile 
that on Syllable, but I never heard anyone did that

Ah, there seems to be an rp-pppoe.so plugin that emulates RP:

http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/wiki/PPP

Maybe it isn't in the Syllable package because that needs the Linux 
kernel module and it isn't ported

In that case, ppp_if is just the virtual network interface for PPP

And the next step would be to try to compile RP

rp-pppoe.so plugin does not emulates RP. rp-pppoe.so plugin is *by* 
RP.

Yes...

From the RP site I mentioned: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/files/download/rp-pppoe-3.10.tar.gz
	GPG Signature: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/files/download/rp-pppoe-3.10.tar.gz.sig

Trying to compile.

# The plugin comes from the "ppp" package
# there's no need to install rp-pppoe
plugin rp-pppoe.so
# Replace "eth0" with your network interface name
eth0

It is bundled with ppp package.

That .so file.

/me reboots

I vaguely remember two PPPoE implementations, and it seems you can 
choose between user space RP and a Linux kernel module, where pppd 
seems to have an emulation for the RP library using the kernel module

I don't know about Linux kernel module.

PPP support (CONFIG_PPP), the asynchronous line discipline (CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC), 
the driver for your serial port device and/or the PPP over Ethernet 
(PPPoE) protocol driver (CONGIG_PPPOE) must be compiled into the 
kernel or loaded as kernel modules. Udev doesn't load the ppp_generic 
and pppoe modules automatically. If you compiled them as modules 
they can be loaded by the modules bootscript if they are mentioned 
in /etc/sysconfig/modules file.

I'll be away for a short time to check if we have any notes in our 
Syllable AltME space

Failed to compile rp-pppoe.

What error?

We've always thought we had this PPPoE implementation, and there 
were supposed to be configuration instructions floating around, but 
I can find nothing but confusion about them. I'm starting to wonder 
if we ever had PPPoE. It seems more likely this is just a PPP virtual 
network module, without source

Kaj: A lot of errors. One of them is #error Unknown method to access 
raw Ethernet frames

Kaj Yes it seems so.

I think raw sockets aren't implemented yet in the network stack, 
but some work may have been done on it

I am currently not a specialist in TCP IP/ethernet internals...

Me neither :-/

Someone was rewriting the network stack and implementing IPv6, but 
he never published what he had. It's very frustrating

/me reading au techworld article

Very true: "[A] problem with it is that none of these competing [applications 
and non-integrated subsystems] choices have even matched the quality 
of the integrated systems that we admire."

This matches my large-scale expectations for a desktop environment 
of the future: deep integration at all aspects.

I have never touched Amiga OS though---never saw it.

But REBOL is outstanding.

I'll try to install Sy on a virtualbox...

Reported on a forum.