World: r3wp

Although Syllable is fun, a big reason for its founding was that 
a stated goal of AtheOS was that it was a hobby project, while we 
mean business - albeit in the long run :-)

Syllable is clearly focussed at the desktop, and we want a system 
that is as friendly as possible for regular users, while still being 
very powerful for people who know what they're doing, and offering 
a smooth learning curve between those two states. Pretty much the 
Amiga philosophy. And we have no intention of resting on our laurels 
once we call it 1.0 :-)

:-) thanks ... and what about Syllable and scripting in general?

Ahum; that's my area and it's kind of a struggle. I like high-level 
languages, but when I joined Syllable I had already established that 
there were better things than Python. I had ported Ruby to AtheOS 
and that's what we're using now in my build system and in the installer

will there be API to "plug" other languages? :-)

Ruby is very powerful, but not as elegant and agile as some others. 
We can use it well in the periphery, but we don't really want to 
include it in the system. I ported R# to Syllable, but it stalled, 
so I had to look further. Then Io came along and I ported that. It's 
great, but I still want to swap it for REBOL. That's hard, but I'm 
going to try porting Orca next

Bindings to the native Syllable API are a big problem, as with other 
systems. One of my requirements for a high-level language is that 
it makes bindings as easy as possible, and supports multithreading 
very well. I looked into many things, like .Net, but found that this 
is not the case for most languages, so I'm more focussed on getting 
one good language than a general bindings framework now

If you're interested in the video driver framework, we're now having 
an excellent discussion on the mailing list about how to integrate 
OpenGL:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=syllable-developer

The driver framework is going to be revamped with better use of the 
video card: backbuffering and integrated 2D drawing functions. The 
current discussion will also lead to deep integration of 3D. Both 
software rendering and hardware rendering are being worked on. This 
takes the kind of fundamental changes throughout the system that 
take many years on for example Linux, because no project has control 
over all the parts that need to be changed to coordinate everything 
in the best way possible

Perhaps you can make an avi of your talk ( ? in English ) on Sept 
11 ?

That would be nice, but it will be in Dutch

Last time it was filmed, but I don't know if the movies were processed. 
We did get a number of still pictures. I linked to them in my posts 
on our forum, if you're interested

What can u do with the live CD?

Similar things as other live CDs: Linux, BSD, AROS

BartPE ?

Look around, maybe even do some work, although the live CD is not 
as stable as an installation

ok.

Able to read ntfs partitions ?

I don't know BartPE, but it's obviously inspired by the Linux live 
CDs

No, we don't have an NTFS driver yet

BartPE is a Bart's ... ( some dutch name ) version of MS Personal 
Environment.

I use it to boot up with and check PCs with XP for viruses and spyware.

How can i install it without a cd-burner?

And: did Carl say anything further about porting rebol there? MAybe 
he can make a short test-case for that select-stuff?

buy the premium cd for $10.

How can i install syllable *now* without a cd-burner?

Yup

Got a cd reader Volker ?

Learning magic probably takes longer

reader is here.

I think there are such things as virtual cds ...

However, you can run it emulated. But now you're probably going to 
say that it is too big to download :-)

so, maybe you can "burn" the iso image to a virtual cd.

No, that was the reason half a year ago.. :)

AmigaOS came on 2 disks ?

OK, then run it in QEmu or VMWare or VirtualPC or even Bochs

2 disks + rom. 3 1/2 disks.

No way to put the install on some partition and install from there? 
(i have a partition, really!)

I copied my AmigaOS disks to 5.25 disks.

I didn't here back yet about select(). Nobody seems to have anything 
particular to say about it, because we never had problems with it 
:-)

btw how about xen-support? (i only know the buzzword)

How about porting JForth to Syllable ?  http://home.tampabay.rr.com/jforth/

Yes, you can install on an extra partition. Same way as you could 
install in an emulator: you need to download the base Syllable package 
instead of the CD

Just follow the instructions on our download page

Yes, Xen would awesome. Our kernel would have to be modified to support 
it. Nobody has talked about it yet, but some day someone will do 
it

Any printer support?

JForth seems to be a freeware binary distribution. Without the source, 
there's nothing to port. Also, it seems to be completely Amiga-specific. 
There are plenty of Forths that would be much easier and more useful 
to port

No printer support yet. We're planning to port and integrate CUPS 
in the 0.6.x series, which we will start soon. Basic printer support 
will probably happen in the coming year

I thought they released the source code as well ... perhaps not.