World: r3wp
[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Volker 3-Sep-2005 [85] | reader is here. |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [86] | I think there are such things as virtual cds ... |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [87] | However, you can run it emulated. But now you're probably going to say that it is too big to download :-) |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [88] | so, maybe you can "burn" the iso image to a virtual cd. |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [89] | No, that was the reason half a year ago.. :) |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [90] | AmigaOS came on 2 disks ? |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [91] | OK, then run it in QEmu or VMWare or VirtualPC or even Bochs |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [92x2] | 2 disks + rom. 3 1/2 disks. |
No way to put the install on some partition and install from there? (i have a partition, really!) | |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [94] | I copied my AmigaOS disks to 5.25 disks. |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [95] | I didn't here back yet about select(). Nobody seems to have anything particular to say about it, because we never had problems with it :-) |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [96] | btw how about xen-support? (i only know the buzzword) |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [97] | How about porting JForth to Syllable ? http://home.tampabay.rr.com/jforth/ |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [98x3] | Yes, you can install on an extra partition. Same way as you could install in an emulator: you need to download the base Syllable package instead of the CD |
Just follow the instructions on our download page | |
Yes, Xen would awesome. Our kernel would have to be modified to support it. Nobody has talked about it yet, but some day someone will do it | |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [101] | Any printer support? |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [102x2] | JForth seems to be a freeware binary distribution. Without the source, there's nothing to port. Also, it seems to be completely Amiga-specific. There are plenty of Forths that would be much easier and more useful to port |
No printer support yet. We're planning to port and integrate CUPS in the 0.6.x series, which we will start soon. Basic printer support will probably happen in the coming year | |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [104] | I thought they released the source code as well ... perhaps not. |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [105x2] | I don't see it. One of the authors later wrote a portable Forth, so JForth is probably not very portable |
But you could try, of course :-) | |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [107] | I doubt it's that specific to the Amiga. Only intuition calls etc would be specific. |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [108x3] | You're welcome to try. If it's standard C code, it wouldn't be hard to compile |
I see that the license is basically BSD, so it would probably include source code, indeed | |
The runtime portion of a Forth is extremely small, so if you can get that to compile, you're basically there | |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [111] | first off I have to find a lha decompressor! |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [112] | Ah, the good old times of competing compressors |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [113] | Dont know if that makes much sense, big + was good amiga-integration. |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [114] | huh? |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [115] | jforth i mean. |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [116] | That reminds me of an old Amiga housemate that we drove crazy by giving him a BBS that he wanted, but compressed in a format that we knew he didn't have an unpacker for :-) |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [117] | but that reminded me on bigforth, and i confused typing. |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [118] | For two weeks, we downloaded unpackers for him that were themselves compressed in a format that he didn't have yet. It became ever more difficult to find combinations that gave him no path to unpack his Amiga BBS |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [119] | Is that prior art to drm? :)) |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [120] | In the end he threw us out of his room. I can still see him raving on his doorstep. It was great fun :-) |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [121] | I hope you're not intending to give carl the same problems should he attempt a port. |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [122] | http://home.tampabay.rr.com/jforth/JFNews.html:)) |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [123x2] | A few years ago I visited his wedding party, so I guess we're OK :-) |
Bad performance of that server. Had it run AtheOS, it would have easily survived a few Slashdottings :-) | |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [125] | Maybe it was mentioned there? :) |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [126] | It says it compiles to 68000 machine code. This thing is very specific to 68000 and to Amiga. Not at all suitable for porting to Syllable |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [127] | That compilation is done by the compiler. I doubt they have a lot of assember in it. But strong point is integration with amiga-apis AFAIK, i guess without it its just a forth. |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [128] | What compiler? A C compiler, or some sort of Forth compiler? |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [129] | forth-compiler. |
Graham 3-Sep-2005 [130] | Doesn't look like they released the original assembler or c source |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [131] | That's what I mean. 68000 Output is no good on Syllable |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [132] | But the usual ones are simple. DOn't know if they do tricky optimizing. |
Kaj 3-Sep-2005 [133] | If you want this, you should look at the portable Forth that one of the authors did |
Volker 3-Sep-2005 [134] | No, but you can replace it with a x86-compiler. bigforth has one. |
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