World: r3wp

kit system?

It's a semi-microkernel approach

btw - is there any plan for R3 clone? Most open source parts will 
be usable, API seems to be defined, so maybe cloning effort is easier 
now? Or don't you mind using 3rd party binary packages?

We have a modular monolithic kernel, not a real microkernel. But 
still, most functionality runs in userspace servers. BeOS groups 
them and calls each a kit

Cloning R3 is pretty much beyond our reach. We only have time to 
integrate existing parts

So the strategy is to use ORCA for simple system parts, to keep the 
base system open source

but Orca will soon become absolutly forgotten imo, as R3 introduces 
lots of new things to REBOL. I think it will soon become irrelevant 
product ....

R3 will be extra functionally, but its openness should help appeace 
open-source people

ORCA is not irrelevant. It's an essential system part of both Syllable 
Server and Syllable Desktop

I know that it is important for you, but I fear it will die, once 
R3 is out, due to incompatibilities? Is ORCA still being developed?

It will be developed by us as needed

How can a language die, that is an essential part of a non-dead operating 
system?

I hope R3 model will help in that regard too and that some new ppl 
will join and Rebol will be cloned ....

That might happen in the far future, but it's not a focus of ours

is there a description of the fuctionality available now with orca?

It comes with sparse documentation

what % of core is done?

Karl said 50% of natives

I guess if Rebol/View is only going to run on server .. that would 
be my choice if I had to choose...

It's not. We must port it to our graphical environment, but then 
it should be easy to port to Desktop

Has Carl shown any interest?

Carl was going to open source view wasnt he?

In the first years, you would choose the Linux for stability and 
hardware support. Over time, you would migrate to Desktop for superior 
performance and ease of use

5 year plan?

Carl doesn't know about the Linux version yet. I gave him the Desktop 
version two years ago in Milan. It was part of the considerations 
to make R3 much more portable

Does Karl still maintain Orca?

Somewhat. There have been a few fixes over the past year

btw - why is there problem with open source and binary packages? 
Isn't linux distributing nvidia or ati binary drivers anyway?

Depends a lot on the distro. Many are against it

Kaj, when 0.6.4 is going to be released?

In the coming week, we hope

great

The current weekly build also works

oh, I didn't know, there's a weekly build. I'll try it now.

Kaj, the weekly build is installation cd, do you have some live-cd 
available just to try it?

Yes, follow the Live CD link from our front page. That's 0.6.3, of 
course

http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18218/Five-Questions-Kristian-Vanders-van-der-Vliet-Syllable/

Thanks, I was just going to post that. :-) There are a few mentions 
of REBOL in there

We just released Syllable Desktop 0.6.4:

http://syllable.org/story.php?id=269

Here are the highlights:

* A new version of ABrowse. The web browser has been re-written using 
the WebKit engine, which is also the basis of Apples Safari web browser. 
The engine offers excellent standards support and very fast rendering.

    * A new version of Whisper, and the Contact address book is now included.

    * A large number of usability and user interface fixes, largely courtesy 
    of Anthony Morphett.

    * New drivers for the SysKonnect Yukon1 network cards & ACPI CPU 
    management and updated drivers for Radeon, GeForceFX, SiS and Trident 
    video cards, HD Audio, Intel & VIA SATA controllers and Realtek 8169 
    network cards.
    * The usual clutch of bug fixes and enhancements.

I believe Ladislav could use the Yukon driver :-)

dled the Vmware, when installed/run will let you know

Cool

ok ran it and looks better than the others BUT there is no mnt dir 
? I was going to use a console and mount but have no idea how to 
mount a device the os does not see ?does Syllable not have that option 
yet or am I missing some thing :(

and I assume that drag and drop will not working using VmPlayer ? 
Thing I tried with an older version and did not work

/ is the mount dir. :-)

There is no /mnt dir as such. But Linux often uses a /media directory 
as well, for the actual mount points, although they could also be 
anywhere else. Like Unix, mountpoints in Syllable can be made anywhere 
you want them. But the mount utility of the desktop (click right 
in the Media folder) just mounts disks in the root /

You should know that the root directory in Syllable is virtual. It 
is stored in RAM, so it is not persistent across reboots