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brian, you can do like me, and just forward your address to gmail 
:) i did so for the spam filtering. and now i'm starting to appreciate 
the rest of gmail.

except gmail's spam filters are too aggressive

and there doesn't appear to be a way to whitelist senders

the contact list isn't a white list?

anyway... it has worked fine so far... considering most mails come 
from my server so are being relayed a couple of times and don't come 
from the sender host.

it's much better than waiting for thunderbird to filter out 150 spam 
mails a day

(spam being there for 30 days also means that i can easily search 
for false positives if i suspect of any)

no, because I get rebol list mail being sent to spam at times

do you have all ml subscribers in the contact list? ;)

i got one ml message flagged as spam too. 1/1000 false positives 
is not too bad considering it was not trained at all (and i don't 
know if their filter actually tries to adapt to the user).

I've seen similat results with gmail to Gabriele.......The spam filters 
work well for me.
Of the 485 spams (to one address) in the last 30 days:
-- 483 correctly routed to the spam folder
-- 2 incorrectly identifed as real mail
-- 0 real mails identified as spam

Things do seem to be getting better in email land.

My canada.com account I had delegated as the 'send spam here' as 
I got harvested when they changed to a new service.  Today, expecting 
to troll through the hundreds of viagra ads, I got none.

I haven't cleard the mailbox in a few weeks, and all I got was a 
job offer.  A real one.  This job was not for me, it was .Net related 
but no spam.  Hmmm.

I think gmail use humans as the training... any spam I get I tell 
the gmail about... thus with millions of users... they have a perfect 
trraining engine, which allows them to get only "real" spam and they 
probably just do a content match.

In two years of using gmail exclusively, I have received less than 
10 spams to my inbox (I receive 70-100 a day) and receive many real 
mails to.


so far I have only detected 3 false positives in 3 years.  and since 
gmail aggressively collects all the mail addresses you've received 
and sent to, the white list is rapidly perfect with 0 need on my 
part.

I used to check and clear my spam daily... and after 1.5 years and 
finding only 2 I decided it was not worth the effort... the original 
send can always send another mail and ALL bets are that I WILL receive 
that mail  :-)

I've had about 30 false positives ... too many for me.

graham, you've been extremely unlucky :) i have checked every mail 
inside Spam for one week, and since everything seemed fine, i just 
stopped looking inside it. since gmail keeps the spam for 30 days, 
if ever i don't see a mail i expect or something a simple search 
inside spam should find it.

I send my self faxes by email ... they all end up in the spam folder 
:(

I've constructed a label for them .. makes no difference

I'll try adding them to my contact list.

I would like to see some way of Gmail adding subject lines to white 
lists

And yes, technology and I don't mix well :(

Look at headers of these emails, maybe you will find some hint why 
they are supposed to be a spam

My imap server kept shutting itself down.

Looks like my system clock was slightly fast by a few seconds.  When 
I reset the time using my script with nist.gov clock, the imap server 
saw that that the time went back by 10 seconds, and so decided to 
shut it self down to avoid causing problems!

Gabriele, I've just been going through
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions


and I'm attracted to distros that aren't too far from a root distro, 
eg. Ututo based on Gentoo, or Ubuntu based on Debian. Also, I've 
tried Slackware on some older machines recently and it has spawned 
several distros, so Slackware might be good. I want to do audio work 
so I'll be looking for a kernel compiled for low-latency audio.

How's your search going ?

This is a good distro for audio work:

http://www.dynebolic.org

Its creator is an old Amigan. :-) His parents even had an Amiga shop 
in Italy

pretty cool claims on the home page... k5 and 64mb minimum HW, no 
install, etc.

It's true. It is a distro from scratch with several unique features, 
and it has been going for a number of years

:) I've already briefly tried Dynebolic (or was it Pure:dyne ?)

Kaj, have you used it for anything ?

Not really, but it's one of the systems I've been following for years

I've spoken with the creator several times, since he now lives in 
Amsterdam

How is Syllable going, by the way ? It must be nearly time for my 
yearly attempt to install Syllable. (I have a new machine to install 
it on.)

For example, it's the fastest starting of all available distros

That is a good feature. :)

Not as fast as Syllable, of course. :-) Syllable is doing fine, but 
you still have about a fifty-fifty chance to get it to work. You 
may want to try the live CD first. If the install CD doesn't work, 
you can try the weekly build, which has additional fixes]

hardware support issues?

Yes, it's an enormous amount of work to get everything to work

But we're progressing

so when are you compiling it for Apple machines   ;-)

It should almost work as-is on Intel Macs. Just that as far as I 
know, the boot loader doesn't entirely support the Apple firmware 
yet. But the latest Macs might work

(I was pulling your leg a little there ;-)

OK, but it's probably closer than you thought. :-) Last year we said 
that Apple was porting the Mac to Syllable

hehe

Anton: I'll probably go with Kubuntu. It's based on Debian, it's 
well supported, and it has worked well enough for me in the past. 
I have used Gentoo but it's too much work (you get your own system, 
which is great, but it means you have to compile everything - and 
the config files need to be updated manually). I've never used Slackware... 
so I can't comment on it. I have a dynebolic CD, looks nice in its 
field, not sure as general-purpose.

Shameless plug;  Debian GNU/Linux 4.0
The Debian model is the way to go with Open Source.
Don't release software before it's time.

Regardless of the "It's late! It's late!" yelling and gnashing of 
teeth.
When it comes out, it's ready to come out.


Plus (the shameless part), the more rebols that code on a Debian 
base, the happier I'll be, with scripts that work out of the box. 
 :)