World: r3wp

hmm... I got "Killed" in a rebol console that was quit by the machine. 
I wonder if that is similar to a segfault?

e.g. normally you'd see "Segmentation fault", but here I saw "Killed"

I can get that with 

kill -9 (processid)

Did something like that happen?

only if someone has gained access to that box :-) it happened on 
its own

Yikes.

But there are problems with the current 2.7.5.4.2 beta, and after 
the stack space creeps into code space, Iit may cause any number 
of curious side effects.

s/lit/it/

Heehee.  I caved, installed Wine to test the site with IE last Thursday. 
 I was moving

some windows around and just noticed the Icon that got installed 
on the KDE desktop.

Heeheehee. The big blue E upside down, spinning down the drain...had 
to chuckle.

This may have been covered before, what is the status of font management 
on Linux?  Particularly used with Wine?

Wine with the ies4Linux package (don't know which one did this)

installs the msttcorefont package.  Arial, Courier, I'll forget some, 
Verdana, Times, 

Times New,  Comic Sans, Trebuchet, Impact, Georgia, Webdings, I cheated 
and

looked, Andale.  TT fonts are not redistributable but the package 
pulls them from...
somewhere, I wasn't really watching.

Management of fonts is still very distro specific.  Progress is being 
made, but, the 

situation is still kinda hairy.  I have to admit, compared to 4 years 
ago, fonts are now

beautiful on Debian, but limited.   And we have no TEXT in DRAW blocks...yet. 
 :(
A lot of the nicer fonts come with installing LaTeX.

I don't know if it's because X fonts have historically sucked...but 
I stick with

Serif, Sans, and Mono.  All very legible nowadays.  With LaTeX, I 
just let it do its
thing and it always looks book quality, so I don't fiddle.

Currently installing 64 bit version of Suse 10 .. hope Rebol runs!

Did you see Tim Johnson's recent messages on the ML?

Yes!

I'll ask him to patch my binary for me :)

Sounds painful but you know much more about such surgical procedures 
than I'll ever want to know ;-)

Built a Kubuntu machine for my flatmate. Pretty painless install, 
I have to say. There are some issues with the all-in-one motherboard 
though, like inbuilt audio and ethernet chipsets are not detected, 
apparently. Fixed ethernet by plugging in an old network card.

I'll probably fix audio by buying an audio card.

Or wait long enough for new drivers to be written

for this chipset

Actually, I found two old audio cards that should work.
Waiting is not an option for my flatmate :)

The DRM stuff is starting to bite. I'm reading more about difficulties 
getting digital output.

I would like you to suggest me some Linux distribution:

Current situation:


I run old Fedora Core 1 linux, so it lacks on security updates. The 
server is used for few domains, it runs apache, old mySQL 3.5.x version, 
glftpd, sendmail (I am used to that). Server has 2 hads. Content 
of server is packed each week via script and copied to other disk.

Objectives:


- need some easy distro, graphical mode installation, which even 
monkey can configure, forget somo guru stuff, target hardening, etc.
- need mysql 5.x family, Apache 2. family

- adding new users/developers by some tool, e.g. webmin - ftp, apache 
domain, webmail (squirrel)

- needs to run rebol in cgi mode, eventual sqlite library compatibility 
welcomed

- kind of easy recovery - install from CD in graphical mode, copy 
configs, reboot, or even better - instasll some kind of loader, map 
to second hd, unpack backup, reboot. Maybe this could be automated?


Of course I have some sympathies already - stay with Fedora? Try 
Ubuntu server edition? Any other suggestion?

Thanks.

Obviously, Ubuntu has popular momentum, but if you want to stick 
with a Red Hat based distibution, CentOS is a good choice -- http://www.centos.org/.
According to DistroWatch, "CentOS is 100% compatible rebuild of the 
Red Hat Enterprise Linux, in full compliance with Red Hat's redistribution 
requirements. CentOS is for people who need an enterprise class operating 
system stability without the cost of certification and support."

How can one ever get used to sendmail? :-)

The SME Server at contribs.org is based on Red Hat and heavily customized 
to run almost all functions you mention with particularly easy user 
management. Don't know how current is is on Apache and MySQL. As 
long as you don't need /View it's OK, because it comes without X11

I looked into CentOS, but I already downloaded Ubuntu server to give 
it a try. This time I will install including X-Windows, and also 
run webmin. My initial idea was to have a small distro, which could 
be recovered very quickly, but I think that I am fine with one day 
off ....

anyway - it would be cool to have really small thingy, which is able 
to do webserving, proxy (eventually), sendmail .... well, as for 
webserving purposes, I can imagine very small distro, with just cheyenne 
and rebol :-)

I don't care about the firewall too much, because I don't want my 
server to do it at all - that is what is router and DMZ for.

Another SME type distro is Clarkconnect (http://www.clarkconnect.com). 
It's RHEL based and has community and paid services. Nice web admin 
tool.

thanks, will investigate it ...

looks interesting. And maybe it is a distro, I once linked to here 
....

... back then, when RT was investigating distros too ....

or ... it was other way around ... it was RT who told us, what distro 
they choosed?

studied ClarkConnect - it seems like an exactl solution, when you 
want to provide ISP services, with all those antispam services included, 
unified configuration interface, backups, so you might have a good 
sleep ....

Why not Debian? IMO one of the best distros. Good packet management. 
It doesn't come to fancy but rock solid.

Because, for me - I need a server, and I want to have a good sleep! 
:-)

I have old Fedora Core 1 server, my friend moved to Prague and my 
primary hd crashed. It was difficult situation for me. There was 
a cript, which at least packed all content to secondary hw ...

the recovery was not so easy, because he navigated mi vai phone (3 
hours) and I first had to prepare partitions etc. So I look for some 
other "easy", but complete solution ...

I will try with Ubuntu initially (which is - Debian based)

but no more console - I want web based configuration, so that my 
brother can do it without me.

For server Debian is very good.

there are many good servers imo. It is not problem to actually have 
a server. But disaster recovery scenario is important for me. Because 
I have to be sure, that when I am no business trip and server crashes, 
my brother will be able to recover basic services with few phone 
calls :-)

Yes, generic servers make you do a lot of work for such things. SME 
Server and indeed ClarkConnect are custom-made for the things you 
want. SME Server has more integrated user management, but ClarkConnect 
is easier to put extra software on that is not part of the standard 
distribution

SME server - is that something particular?

what does SME stand for?

Running extra software will make backup and restoration more difficult, 
thouh

Small and Medium Enterprise

ah, thanks ....

btw - how does Syllable go? (you can answer in the syllable group)