World: r3wp

Thanks for putting me on the right track, btiffin

I'm looking to replace my mailer (The Bat! on windows) to a linux 
solution for ubuntu. what would you guys recommend? Claws? Evolution? 
Sunbird? Or something like mutt or pine? Or even some emacs solution? 
What do you think?

I use IceApe; Debian's SeaMonkey.  email, browser, chat, calendar 
app (I never use the composer, have Quanta for that)  Because it's 
a be everything suite it's not the best at anything, but it's functional 
for me.

i don't think there's anything close to the bat. you might try running 
it with wine. personally, i moved to gmail because of the amount 
of spam i get, i expected to miss the bat a lot, but actually i don't 
use email that much anymore, so i'm fine.

To help do the transition, I wrote a rebol script that converts a 
native The Bat! mail database to a directory tree structure mirroring 
the contents in the open Berkeley format,  mbox, as found in the 
Unix world.

Anyone interested in the code, just drop me a line.

how about putting it on rebol.org?

Sure, but I have lots of excuses to postpone. First, I forgot my 
password for the library script. Second, before posting to rebol.org 
I have to write proper headers in the script (such as date, version 
number, license). Third, I have no idea if there is interest at all. 
But I got your point, which is legit.

Ok, I recovered my password for the library script. That's one excuse 
less.

Isn't Opera available for Linux? I use it on Win for mails. Works 
great.

It is

Opera is my browser of choice on all platforms. I never used it for 
mail, though.Thanks for reminding me.

I must say I was pleasantly surprised with the evolution suite. It 
does sync with the palm, and the mailer itself is nice, searching 
is very quick even within large mail databases.

I tested Claws, which is nice, but searching is not fully featured. 
You have yo extend it with a third-party indexer if you want good 
performance.

http://ml2mst.googlepages.com/thegospeloftux

After a month of Evolution, I can say I'm not totally satisfied. 
It has some shortcomings both in the UI and in functionality.

I use fetchmail to retrieve the mail and postfix to deliver it, so 
I can experiment at my heart content.

Looks like Claws is the contender after all

I happen to run a server, so I might set up an IMAP server to store 
all my mail, it is the ultimate geek solution.

Read this page from Eric Raymond's Art of Unix Programming.  The 
part about Unix is Fun to Hack.

I think it may explain why I feel an affinity to drag people to Linux 
(kicking and screaming until the aaahh, thanks).  His whole book 
is a wonderous read, but for now...

http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s05.html#id2873078


Same applies to REBOL.  Serious suits don't want engineers having 
fun.  But fun work is good work and yet 40 years later that lesson 
still hasn't sunk in for mainstream development.  Sad clowns.  :)

Guys, I need your advice. I want to setup a new version of my dedicated 
server,because I'm currently running RH7.2 and it's really dated...

But I want to do it a bit different these days. I want use a totally 
stripped down Debian with XEN support. Any further server applications 
like web-server, mail-server, xpeers etc. will go into one or more 
virtual machines.

With this setup upgrading hardware should be easy.

Where do I get a minimal Debian ISO with XEN installed from? Any 
links? I did a search already but was not so successful with it.

Dunno, but I'm offering another minimal Linux server distro set up 
for virtualisation ;-)

I think the Debian people would say that any Debian ISO is a minimal 
one. If you do a custom server install, you can easily start with 
the minimum and just add Xen

Alternatively, you could run your server tasks on Amazon EC2, which 
is also Xen

http://www.eisxen.org/

easy to create template driven new guest's, easy to admin and very 
stable...

the guest template is based on ->  http://www.eisfair.org/

no overhead, very lean and fast - another fine construct is ubuntu-xen 
with jeos guest and webmin for admin tasks

Tom, thanks for the link. I took a short look and this looks very 
promising. Will take a deeper look.

Kaj, any link to the distro?

EC2: Yes, the problem is that you can't save a state. So EC2 is more 
for serve-only stuff but not for interaction and state storing. At 
least that's how I understand it.

There are Syllable Server announcements on our front page:

http://syllable.org

The instructions for the latest version is here:

http://downloads.syllable.org/Linux/i686/systems/Server/0.2/README-SyllableServer-0.2.txt

Regarding EC2: yes, you have to do persistent storage outside of 
EC2. The logical choice for that is Amazon S3. You can install an 
S3 driver for the FUSE filesystem on Linux and use it transparently, 
if you keep the performance characteristics in mind

Yes, I know. But what I didn't got yet, is how do I make the whole 
FS using S3? IMO a special version of Linux is required that uses 
S3 only, nothing else. Otherwise I can't use EC2 as I would use a 
normal machine.

Syllable: Well, for me a server distro doesn't need to have graphics, 
sound etc. Just plain minimum server, virtualization enabled, SSH 
for remote access and a simple way to add more packages.

Most distros are just to big, or contain that many things I don't 
need. Maybe Debian is the best choice. Starting with a total bare 
minimum.

Syllable Server doesn't have graphics, sound, etc. beyond just the 
standard audio system that comes with the Linux kernel and the lightweight 
DirectFB and SDL libraries. You need SDL to run QEmu, which we include 
to do virtualisation. You can still run QEmu as a daemon and control 
it remotely, via VNC for example

There's no way to boot a Linux from S3 except the way it already 
works: you store your virtual machine image on S3 and EC2 starts 
it from there

The only thing that's required is Amazon's Linux kernel: you can 
define all the rest of the Linux system yourself. You could boot 
the very minimum off the EC2 image to mount S3 as a filesystem and 
then continue booting the base system from S3, but it would make 
no sense. Once the image is loaded by EC2 it has much higher performance 
than accessing S3 over the network

S3's role in this mix is to persist your data, and mounting it as 
a filesystem is as transparent as you can get

If you mean that you don't want to use EC2, then that's fine, too. 
If you install the S3 filesystem on a local Linux system, you can 
use it from there

Cool stuff…


I don't find either QuickTime or Flash to be quite as pervasive as 
everyone would like to think.  We have found bugs amongst about 50% 
of the Mac users trying to display Flash media, and about 20% of 
PCs have some sort of trouble with QuickTime (not the least being 
they have not downloaded it yet).


The fact that Apple only supports Flash 4 is a pain.  I wish they 
could simple confirm their was no security holes, and that installation 
from all browns (like all four) was truly just a confirmation box. 
 Some times I will go to upgrade someone, and I will even be forced 
to reboot.  Deep shame.

I was trying to run rebface on server but got error that cannot find 
 libX11.so.6 which should be available. In which locations is Rebol 
looking for libraries?

You mean Syllable Server? It doesn't have X11