World: r3wp
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Volker 5-Apr-2006 [596x2] | Due to patents on truetype? |
Or because of nameing, not because of look? | |
Kaj 5-Apr-2006 [598] | No, it's just a mess, with several different font systems working against eachother - as usual in Linux |
Gabriele 6-Apr-2006 [599] | petr: the "proper" way is to link to gtk or qt. you know, there's no gui standard there... the only thing you can take for granted on GNU/Linux is the linux kernel and the GNU utilities. |
Kaj 6-Apr-2006 [600] | Unless of course you encounter unexpected kernel modifications or BusyBox or things like that :-) |
Cyphre 7-Apr-2006 [601] | yep, the main problem of doing things "properly" in Linux/BSD is that there is usually no standard way ;) |
DideC 20-Apr-2006 [602] | Q: How to know witch Distro I have in command line ? What is the command ? |
Graham 20-Apr-2006 [603] | isn't there a version string? |
PeterWood 20-Apr-2006 [604] | echo $OSTYPE display the "type" of OS using tsch shell. On a Mac it echoes darwin |
Graham 20-Apr-2006 [605x2] | I have /etc/SuSe-version |
$0STYPE just says linux | |
PeterWood 20-Apr-2006 [607x2] | Try uname -v |
or uname -a for more info | |
Graham 20-Apr-2006 [609] | doesn't help much |
yeksoon 20-Apr-2006 [610x2] | try 'ls /etc/*release |
in my opinion, 'uname' is more of a standard utility to identify the kernel. | |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [612] | Yup. There's no standard way to determine the distro beyond the kernel |
Henrik 20-Apr-2006 [613] | kaj, which is incredibly defective IMHO :-) such as simple thing, so hard to do |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [614x3] | Yep, but the way Linux distributions have evolved, it's obvious it's impossible and one doesn't even think about it :-/ |
A while ago I tried to install VMware player and it nuked my system. Upon investigation, it had 13,000 lines of PERL script for installation and configuration. The major part of that was to identify the system parts versions and condition... | |
Each mature Unix application carries around a similar configuration system | |
Henrik 20-Apr-2006 [617] | it's insane. which is why I'm moving away from linux as a dev system |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [618x2] | I'm moving towards it :-) |
I'm making a few mods, though. Like, redesigning the entire system ;-) | |
Henrik 20-Apr-2006 [620] | ah, another distro basically? :-) |
Maxim 20-Apr-2006 [621] | I love linux cause its so well designed, in order to use it, you have to fix everything. |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [622] | Yup, but deeper than that |
Henrik 20-Apr-2006 [623] | and now we have freedesktop.org and other standards organizations. I think basically it's like shoveling crap uphill. I wonder if it will get anywhere. |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [624] | It's an improvement, but as you suspect, far from ideal |
Henrik 20-Apr-2006 [625] | I think the Ubuntu guys are doing a good job. the problem is that there are 20 other organizations that are almost doing the same jobs. it's an incredible waste of time and effort. |
Maxim 20-Apr-2006 [626] | I think we should take AROS and change its name. |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [627] | Well, there's exchange of work. The theory in open source is that a certain amount of duplication of work is accepted, because there are many volunteers. What bothers me more is that the resulting products are so bad |
Maxim 20-Apr-2006 [628] | maybe ARIX and say its based on linux but everything was fixed ;-D |
Henrik 20-Apr-2006 [629] | the products are bad because there is no focus or leader with strong visions. it happens occasionally, such as with the XGL desktop work done by Novell. They flat out stated that it would have sucked to do it among the community. Yet the community responded negatively, because the work was not initially shared. sometimes I think they just can't see that the cathedral model of development can be much better if design is very critical. this is the biggest gripe I have with open source. |
Maxim 20-Apr-2006 [630] | it sucks because those with the vision can only do so much on their time. although everyone is happy to say free things are great, free things aren't worth any $$ and thus, you get none to feed your children when you work on them. |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [631] | That's not how open source is financed |
Maxim 20-Apr-2006 [632] | depends on the projects. |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [633x3] | Exactly |
Ironically, our cathedral-designed Syllable project is a full volunteer effort | |
Funding comes from companies, who all want some influence for it, so you get a bazaar model | |
Maxim 20-Apr-2006 [636] | what happens when 2 companies want the opposite feature? |
Kaj 20-Apr-2006 [637] | The community decides. That's the nicest part of it, a certain fairness |
Graham 21-Apr-2006 [638x2] | how does one start up in level 3 and not level 5 ? |
I can type init 3 once I'm in 5 ... | |
yeksoon 21-Apr-2006 [640] | look under /etc/rc.d/rc5.d that will be the folder for level 5 stuffs |
Volker 21-Apr-2006 [641x2] | something in /etc/inittab, but in my deb it only says # The default runlevel. id:2:initdefault: |
seems the 2 in that line sets the level. http://www.linuxfibel.de/booten.htm (german). | |
Graham 21-Apr-2006 [643x2] | http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/ch13s05.html |
yes, looks like. initdefault | |
Oldes 28-Apr-2006 [645] | Guess what software Osama Bin Laden uses on his laptop? http://shelleytherepublican.com/2006/04/linux-european-threat-to-our-computers.html |
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