World: r3wp

I see.

Graham, yes, we're fixing showstoppers in Syllable one by one

Of course, there are still many reasons why one could not use Syllable 
for a given job, but once we make it suitable for a job, it stays 
that way. It's much easier to say if it's suitable or not, while 
with Linux, one usually fixes all problems until one hits a showstopper, 
then switches distros, only to find that one of the other problems 
is a showstopper there

And then there are the regressions, where a showstopper comes back 
or suddenly appears in a new version of the same Linux distro. We 
have had regressions in Syllable, but not many, and they're usually 
easy to fix

At the accusation of reinventing the wheel, I always reply that we 
found that in the time we personally spent fixing Linux installations, 
we might as well produce an operating system for everyone

Have you not managed to persuade Carl to port Rebol ?  Or, are you 
going to use Orca ?

Graham - isn't Syllable open-source? They imo can't accept closed 
source product, no?

I mean - to become dependant upon it ... I think R3 is going to be 
differet product in that regard, but still open source licenses are 
distros rules are clear here ...

I think Kaj has asked RT to port Rebol before.

then R3 will be good for them. platform specific things will be open-sourced 
and RT will then "only" compile for target platform their rebol library 
...

so there's going to be one rebol3.lib for x86, usable on win, linux, 
syllable, aros whatever plus some open sourced OS wrappers?

not sure - but one lib for certain OS. There can be dependencies 
- library format for Windows .dll is surely different from .so from 
Linux, even if both do run on X86

but new aproach should imo help to get rebol ported to new platforms, 
because RT's responsibility will be to get their OS agnostic library 
ported ...

Rebolek: that would be more or less correct, however the format of 
the library usually depends on the OS, so it can't be the same file 
in most cases.

Linux users .. please try this for me 

do http://www.compkarori.com/reb/psd2draw.r

Do you see any text ?  Or, do you have to install some postscript 
fonts?

And isn't ghostscript a standard install for most linux distros ?

Probably

I wonder then if it's the fonts I'm using.

maybe I try installing a windows fonts package.

The Ghostscript fonts may not be available to X11, and thus probably 
not to View

There's an extra package for that in Debian/Ubuntu

I'm on Fedora (vmware)

gsfonts-x11

The fonts also go under different names

maybe I look at what fonts are available and try those in my script.

Right, we can't make Syllable dependent on REBOL. Indeed we're using 
Orca for fundamental stuff

I gave Syllable to Carl a year ago in Milan. He was toying with the 
thought of trying to compile REBOL, but he probably didn't

R3 will definitely be a better base to port, and I will try it when 
the open-source layer is released

Syllable uses ELF executable format like modern Linux, so there's 
a chance we would be able to use the R3 library for x86 Linux

that would be good.

What resolution does the Syllable livePC run at?

screen rez ...

Syllable's default resolution is always 640x480, unless you set it 
otherwise. Why?

bit retro !

I would want 1024x768 at least.

The Suse Live PC I tried won't go above 640x480 as well I think.

You can simply set that

Setting the resolution has traditionally been a problem on Linux, 
so that could be the case with that SUSE

have you tried the LivePC ?

No, but it should function the same as standard VMWare images, and 
I've never heard of resolution problems with those

Have you tried that Syllable LivePC? Does it have a problem?

No, I downloaded an ISO image before and burnt that.

but I have run out of quota till the end of the month so can't download 
anything :(

Probably better. I don't know if the LivePC has been updated to 0.6.2

You should try and push Carl to port Rebol.

You have quotas on your side of the world? ;-)

Yeah ...

one month I went $300 over quota :(

Carl is not easily pushed. I'll port the open-source layer when it's 
there, and if it doesn't work I'll bug him again