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[AGG] to discus new Rebol/View with AGG

shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[253x2]
Last year on first dev Con I present RADIS an intent of IDE for REBOL 
but since this intent the project was abandonned ...
the output code mayde by  RADIS was ugly ... but the idea is good 
until we don't have a big team dadicated to build this kind of evy 
integrated tool I think spending times on it is not usefull :)
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[255x2]
script-size - Carls layout.r does a good job with generating sourcecode 
IMHO.
IMHO good looking sourcecode is very important. something which can 
be changed in text-form too.
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[257]
What I am thinking of for an IDE starts very simple:
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[258]
IDE for REBOL must be open for example in the Layout designer I want 
to be able to choose betwin comon Vid or a sub widget library like 
RebGUI for example ;)
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[259]
1) code text editor with the usual features (like list of modules 
to click on)
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[260]
file -> module?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[261x2]
2) trace/step thru code and see it in editor (important to non-REBOLers 
who are considering REBOL)
3) Breakpoints, watchpoints, etc.
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[263]
in REBOL we can have 3 levels Files, Context and function ;)
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[264]
Your jobs :)
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[265x2]
4) Add a few other tools like layout, etc. But not make it complicated.
File <> module, but it can in many cases.
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[267]
tracing would need backlinks to sourcecode? or just work on molded 
code?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[268x2]
Oh no! What is this conversation doing in AGG group!?
We sure ruin the group system, don't we?
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[270]
the IDE will interger a AGG draw editor lol ;)
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[271]
off topic question - in Rebol you have contexts in which words are 
hidden.  In forth you have vocabularies in which you define your 
lexicons.  But in forth it is much easier to switch to using a different 
vocabulary by changing the current vocabulary.  In Rebol you have 
to specify the context to use a word from within that context.  Would 
it make sense to implement such a feature in Rebol?
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[272]
If you seek for a link betwin this conversation and this group topic 
 ;)
Henrik
22-Jun-2005
[273]
we don't have an IDE or View Editor group...
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[274]
Oops. you said change group, so i followed the next group going red 
*blush*
shadwolf
22-Jun-2005
[275]
Same for me  ...
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[276]
Graham: that's what REBOL Modules would do.  Modules each keep separate 
symbol tables (not just context tables).
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[277]
Rebol modules ??
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[278]
http://www.rebol.net/article/0144.html
Pekr
22-Jun-2005
[279]
so are rebol modules reconsidered?
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[280]
So, modules would be like forth vocabularies ?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[281x2]
Not exactly.
Forth vocabularies are heaps of word definitions (code and data).
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[283]
I meant in use.
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[284]
It has been too long since I used Forth to know precisely!
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[285]
Would you be able to switch easily from working with one module to 
another?
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[286]
we should move out of this group!
Volker
22-Jun-2005
[287x3]
to me it sounds comparable. a "search-order" root system user etc. 
and modules can be extended after creation.
but here is more control about what you use from other modules. if 
you search "forth" in big systems, thats 1k words. here we can say 
"want only drop dup swap".
moving out - too late.. ;) new group?
Graham
22-Jun-2005
[290x2]
rename this group :)
Future Directions
Carl
22-Jun-2005
[292]
TechTalk
Ashley
22-Jun-2005
[293]
Back to AGG ... "add a move to the end to keep the shape open" ... 
thanks Gabriele, that solves the problem nicely.
shadwolf
23-Jun-2005
[294x2]
I'm actually working on svg-demo.r code in order to extend it translation 
support
so actually I'm working on <G></G> block  and I yet support in <g> 
block path definition but I need to be able to support the transform 
matrix how can i do this in DRAW AGG ?
Vincent
23-Jun-2005
[296]
shadwolf: there's the 'matrix command for 2x3 matrix in draw/AGG 
: the syntax is
  matrix [a b c d e f]
where the equivalent 3x3 matrix is:
  | a c e |
  | b d f |
  | 0 0 1 |

if I'm correct , "matrix(2.082761,0.529757,-0.491943,1.944909,4.543758,-12.39301)" 
translates to
matrix [2.082761 0.529757 -0.491943 1.944909 4.543758 -12.39301]
Cyphre
23-Jun-2005
[297]
exactly
shadwolf
23-Jun-2005
[298x5]
done bu t I still have jaggies ...
and my ftp account is out of line ...
but I'm near the solution ;)
then I need to suport gradientLinear
see new group SVG RENDERER for my actual source code ;)