World: r3wp

Then there is Magic! or how was it called. Now I can't even open 
rebolfrance.org ;-)

Then IIRC Maxim did some templating system too ...

And last but not least - Temple - system I liked most, although not 
finished, not documented. It was/is done by Gabriele and allows for 
complete separation of web designer and coder. Don't get me wrong, 
but I think that such system is better than typical templating aproach. 
If you will loose your GFX man, you will still be able to use it. 
OTOH without the intervention of programmer, GFX man can't change 
look with typical templating system ... my GFX guy made it clear 
to me - "I will not learn rebol, nor php, anything" - he is willing 
to understand modules and eventually to configure them ....

have you seen http://www.nvu.com/? Gecko based. They aim for something 
like Dreamwaver. IIRC, with dreamwaver, if you have e.g. some module, 
you can provide "plug-in", simply that web designer will parametrise 
you module using GUI and the rest is done under-the-hood ....

otoh most template system I looked into don't go Gabriele's route. 
They even do some kind of #include, so when you have e.g. footer 
of your page the same thru whole web, it is not necessary to be par 
t of each template page, but you can have it in separate page and 
only "include it".

Smarty uses some kind of "precompiling", so they don't need to process 
the template each time. Can anyone explain me, what does it mean? 
How does the technique work?

I still work faster on vi(m) than nvu.. have tried that in a recent 
project... old habits die hard

I believe smarty precompiling is the similar to  what java does to 
jsp when it is first called.


the smarty template in this case is converted into php.... thereafter 
it is just including php

. we have good results using  ADOdb and ION accelerator ( http://www.php-accelerator.co.uk/
)

Max has a web site builder .. don't know how much separation he has 
achieved though as he has never released it

You can see a brief overview of Remark (Maxim's site builder) here... 
http://www.rebol.it/~steel/retools/remark/index.html

I guess having read that, it is similar to Zope ...

but its fully recursive and persistent... and you can mix simple 
data replacement with full-fledged custom programable tags...

Is there a reason you don't have it publicly available?

you can basically have the artist doing the pics and layout, and 
 a developper doing the code part...

time...

anyone really ready to use it might help me in documenting it... 
 it would really be easy...

it just needs time...

something I was waiting for anvil to make less of a job...

I do intend to make glass the standard high-end GUI engine in REBOL 
.

oops... meant for another group... sorry...

Max, we can't tell if we really need it until we get to try it out 
;)

I've seen what it can do, even as a Alpha.  We need it. ;-)

Well, there are plenty of web site building tools .. and sometimes 
a huge learning curve to get what the demos show.

Oh, you were talking about Remark not Glass.  I haven't tried Remark...

I've been using make-doc for docs for websites, but need something 
as simple to make multipage websites

well anyone wanting to pull up his sleeves a little and who doesn't 
mind getting started by chatting over the course of a week, to figure 
out things is welcome to try it out.   Remark is my most finished 
tool of all.  It has been release level for a long time...

url?

practically, you could VERY easily add a tag (like in an hour or 
two or receiving remark) which lets make-doc add the content within 
your site which is comprised of m-d formated text...

none...

I don't think some of us never stop chatting

that's the "chat and ask questions part"....

;-)

I send a zip and can give guidelines, then after a little while you 
come back with a few questions and maybe someone can document the 
stuff...

I've just got so many things to do...

let her rip or zip then :)

that is also why I am only logging on to altme once or twice a week, 
unless I really have a reason to...

ok then... let me create a group for Remark and maybe that can be 
used as a common chat room.  then whoever feels enclined to do so 
can just compile the stuff in whatever means he like and we can start 
some collaborative work on the beast...

I'll zip it, post it on my steel site, and I'll actually give out 
the steel web site as an example to work from... note that it has 
VERY advanced capabilites within its retags, but I guess its a good 
way to show how scalable the engine really is....

post info tomorrow.  (its already 1h00 AM here, so I've got to log 
off, and work a bit on liquid before I get some shut eye)

I might even code the make-doc tag right away...

To Web guru : is it possible to have a page without frame but with 
some content glued to the top or the bottom while the rest scrolls 
?

With CSS2, or IE IFrames.  Neither work properly on all browsers...

http://hyperworlds.org/rebolxanadu.htmla web page I did not run 
across before...

DideC:  Heres some sample CSS that creates  a box midstream and provides 
scrollbars automatically....
	.T3area3
	{
		padding-right: 10px;
		padding-left: 10px;
		left: 160px;
		padding-bottom: 10px;
		margin: 0px;
		vertical-align: top;
		overflow: auto;
		width: 642px;
		padding-top: 10px;
		position: absolute;
		top: 0px;
		height: 490px;
	}

We have a template based dynamic site here at work,  we use a base 
page to define the common logic, we use CSS "templates" to define 
the areas of different pages... the above code is Template 3 area 
3, which is the body area for a page that has a header, left navigation, 
body, and footer area.

Thank's Brock. I need to test that. What element do you use with 
this style ? DIV ? Any example ;-) ?

<span id="lblArea3" class="T3area3">......content here....</span>

Why doesn't my browser (Opera) refresh CSS files if I hit reload? 
I get a refreshed HTML page but the CSS isn't refreshed... any idea 
how to enable refreshing?

Sometimes I need to refresh twice -- but usually CSS is well cached 
(so you only have to download a stylesheet for a site once)