World: r3wp

I"m having lots of crashes in FF .. so I'll likely give it a go.

It may be that FF's main contribution is to force MS to upgrade IE 
!

crashes with FF? :-) I run Mozilla each day, heavily with tons of 
tabs, windows, jumping here or there, never seen a crash for past 
year or two ... I would not expect FF being worse in that regard?

Yeah .. get couple of crashes per day.

Could be latest update, I got a crash today. Shortly afterwards a 
notification of a new bufix release.

bugfix

Does FF handle ASP pages? Out of the box, or is a plugin required?

ASP pages? They're generated on server, aren't they?

yeah, server-side aren't they Active Server Pages ?

so the result is normal HTML

Incidently, it is (despite what MS says) possible to install multiple 
versions of IE....It just isn't always easy.
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/standalone

My online bank account uses ASP to generate monthly statements, which 
works fine from Opera, IE and Safari - but fails under FF with a 
"Could not open xyz.asp"; so I figured it had a problem with ASP 
pages in general.

I use a number of sites which don't work in FF.  Annoying.. but ASP 
.. not seen that one as opposed to a site problem.

Are you sure that's not just a transient problem ?

(I suppose you switched to try another browser straight away.)

Yep.

Mmm. Trying spoofing as IE.

You need to give the FF team your bank account details so that they 
can try it out :)

It could be detecting the browser (possibly poorly) and generating 
a different page. Maybe compare the page sources.

I figured out a fairly fast compare method using my text editor.

New to FF, what's the manu option to spoof as IE?

I know there is (or was recently) a plugin to easily set the spoof.

Sorry, it's an extension I think. Go to Tools/Extensions/Get more 
extensions.

A new webpage pops up at addons.mozilla.org,  search for "spoof"

Thanks, I'll try it out next month. ;)

:) no worries

I can write my own damn browser which damn well works, damn it !

I have to occassionally access websites that make heroic efforts 
only to work in IE. Banks mainly.

They sniff the user-agent  ID string....If you try faking that they 
feed you javascript that crashes other browsers.
Somehow, they think insisting on IE is safer.

Means I have to manually set their sites to the most restricted set 
of IE settings possible -- after all, why should I trust a bank that 
thinks that way?

Very interesting. I never had a problem with my bank and Firefox.

You've got a modern bank!

:) no no, not a piggy-bank either - an actual, governement-backed 
bank.

Firefox has been crashing multiple times a day for me as well.  Mozilla 
isn't an option as it is just too bloated and slow.  I keep thinking 
of  using Opera but it seems to have issues with a lot of sites. 
 In general it is a little faster than most browsers but it has its 
own collection of problems.  It's amazing to me how problematic the 
web is.

Almost back to the old days .. apps keep crashing because there's 
no standard API.

guys, you are unbelievable bashers of Mozilla ;-)

I wonder if you actually are use facts with your claims or your PCs 
are more than broken ....

Hmm.

You're the one who bashes Rebol!

We just point out our PCs crash with FF, and you accuse us of the 
same!

I use mozilla from 0.9.6, it crashed sometimes, but I have something 
like + 40 installs at my various friends, customers, never heard 
about crash for last 10 or so months ......

Perhaps they don't bother telling you?

I will bash rebol every day for obvious reasons I can repeat ...

Perhaps their desktops are locked down by domain policy restrictions?

Crashing isn't the issue for me.  It just adds too much time to an 
already way to slow interface for me to be able to live with.

I can't believe in Mozilla's slowness ... what is slow? UI, rendering? 
That goes contradictory to most reviews on the web then ...

I have the most problem with downloading files...

Tried Opera month ago, seemed ok ....

I'll go back to IE and tighten down security before I go back to 
Mozzila simply because of the speed issue but before I ever go back 
to IE there are plenty of Mozz spin offs that don't share Mozz's 
bloat

It locks up FF until that is completed.

Mozz bloat? :-) I wonder I talk to developer now. So what is IE's 
installation cabinets size? 80MBs? Mozilla? 12MB zipped? Where's 
the bloat?

Actually I am glad SeaMonkey is back, complete browser + mailer ...