World: r3wp

Almost back to the old days .. apps keep crashing because there's 
no standard API.

guys, you are unbelievable bashers of Mozilla ;-)

I wonder if you actually are use facts with your claims or your PCs 
are more than broken ....

Hmm.

You're the one who bashes Rebol!

We just point out our PCs crash with FF, and you accuse us of the 
same!

I use mozilla from 0.9.6, it crashed sometimes, but I have something 
like + 40 installs at my various friends, customers, never heard 
about crash for last 10 or so months ......

Perhaps they don't bother telling you?

I will bash rebol every day for obvious reasons I can repeat ...

Perhaps their desktops are locked down by domain policy restrictions?

Crashing isn't the issue for me.  It just adds too much time to an 
already way to slow interface for me to be able to live with.

I can't believe in Mozilla's slowness ... what is slow? UI, rendering? 
That goes contradictory to most reviews on the web then ...

I have the most problem with downloading files...

Tried Opera month ago, seemed ok ....

I'll go back to IE and tighten down security before I go back to 
Mozzila simply because of the speed issue but before I ever go back 
to IE there are plenty of Mozz spin offs that don't share Mozz's 
bloat

It locks up FF until that is completed.

Mozz bloat? :-) I wonder I talk to developer now. So what is IE's 
installation cabinets size? 80MBs? Mozilla? 12MB zipped? Where's 
the bloat?

Actually I am glad SeaMonkey is back, complete browser + mailer ...

SeaMonkey is no better than Mozz in my experience.

The idea of combining the browser, email, newsgroups, etc, has failed 
miserably in every application that I've seen.

the unix idea is better ..multiple dedicated applications.

SeaMonkey is Mozilla :-) They stopped Mozilla suite some time ago, 
but way too many ppl objected ...

The funny thing to me is that I can trust Outlook Express to deal 
with huge (10's of thousands) email/newsgroup archives than ANY other 
mail application that I've used.  Mozzila, Thunderbird, etc.  Every 
one of them except Outlook have just failed funtion or function so 
much slower than OE that I just can't use them.

FF is good idea, but I am not sure. I was used to have mail + web 
under one roof. And I did not like the need to download usefull extensions 
for FF ...

Ammon - it now seems to me, that you guys try to provoke pointless 
discussion :-))

As do you Pekr, as do you. ;-)

We've got 3 Outlook damaged mailboxes in last 3 years, we moved ALL 
of our pop3 to mozilla format. You know why? Because it is plain 
text and there is NOTHING to corrupt ...

Who cares if there's nothing to corrupt?  If its so damn slow that 
it's unusable then it might as well ALL be corrupt to begin with.

The only one reason why it stopped to work (Mozilla) was FAT32 fs 
limit, when one folk's mailbox reached 2GB limit :-) renamed Inbox 
to inbox.old restarted mozilla, voila, running ...

Do you run 486 or so?

No.  That's why I can't believe that Mozzila, etc have failed so 
badly.

Should I take video of mine 650 Duron running mailbox with tens of 
thousands of messages? You got kidding me now ....

Well, but maybe I am just patiend, dunno :-)

I'm using an AMD Athlon64 3.4 GHz with 1GB RAM and its just too damn 
slow.

I  some two years back heard my friend telling me it is slow, for 
me, it was real time, for him, it was slow .... he was former amigan 
... I asked him what is fast, and he told me nothing under Windows, 
so :-)

Well, he is right.

OK, then I am glad things feel fast enough for me ....

The only thing I find slow about Mozz products in general is its 
load time ... but then I run browser running all the day, so I start 
just once ...

As for correctly displaying, I would break hands of ppl still using 
IE crap ... those are the reason why web is being held backwards 
... and I would break legs of those developers, preferring IE :-))

They ALL have their problems but the biggest problem of all is that 
they won't agree on what problems to have. ;-)

how is that? :-)

Just run some W3C tests .... look into css support, etc ... see who 
has the most problems ...

Actually MS is even making situation worse with IE7 ... they will 
not backport to W2K (not to mention W98), still large install base 
of WinOS, so one other "platform" for developers to support ...

I read most discussion boards comments carefully, once some article 
about browser X, company Y is published somewhere ...

The web standards annoy me.  They are supposed to help make things 
more compatible but this isn't the case.  It is easy to build a webstandard 
complient web site that doesn't look ANYTHING like it should according 
to the standard in ANY browser.

yes, maybe it is impossible at all, with what HTML and related technology 
bloat evolved into ...

but there is still some common ground to support, where MS behaves 
like total morons ...

I use Opera and Mozilla each equally, and they work fine for me.

Firefox, I like the look of, but I had some trouble with -- but there 
are some good reports that the latest release fixes their main memory 
leak problems.

how, we have been trying to put Opera on Mac, and nothing but problems. 
 After 5 tries, have not even been able to download a full copy. 
 The website hangs, very odd.

Which is as good a reason as any to be happy that there is more than 
one browser to chose from.