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And there doesn't seem to be an upgrade path ... so looks like he 
is asking us to purchase it again

I don't mind paying for it, just to be clear. But, yes, the upgrade 
path is not clear.

What exactly do you gain by purchasing it again??

a better karma and some extrapoints für you kudos-system graham :-))

and Carl not starving to death.

I've already purchased View/Pro, SDK linux and 2 x SDK/command windows

Maybe it would make more sense if Carl put 'Donate' icon on RT's 
site instead of charging loyal SDK users again :-)

We're already donating our time too

Well, time donations don't give him food on the table. A better option 
would be licensing of proprietary tech, rather than selling products.

Maybe I can click on some of those new googleads instread!

Eric Raymond considers users who donate time to be very important 
.. http://catb.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html


presumably because they will continue to donate time but would not 
donate $$

My main beef is that there has been no consultation ...

Donate would be much better. Via PayPal or some such ...

RT should look into how Luxology does it with the 3D modeler, Modo. 
That model is worth copying parts of and is probably possible to 
graft onto RT.

Here's how they do it:


- Create a strong and unique product from scratch using people with 
many years of experience in the business.
- Keep a community forum on the main site.

- Keep a community creation portfolio on the main site. That's important, 
perhaps more than the forum.

- Have a charismatic front person who is daily in touch with the 
community. Creates a weekly podcast that also includes personal content 
and interviews.

- This person is so close in contact with the community that he can 
discuss product pricing and licensing with the community.

- Being a private company, they are free to opine on the policies 
of other companies, and Adobe and Autodesk are often criticized openly 
by Luxology.
- Make it really, really, really, REALLY easy to buy the program.
- Make upgrade paths really, really clear.

- Make the licensing scheme very loose. Don't bind it to a platform, 
but to a computer.

- Create content, tutorials and other items that are purchasable 
for a small amount (10-20 USD or so).

- Paid content is really cleverly done as an extension of the program. 
You can buy "kits" that for example let you easily set up studio 
lighting. This allows people to use the program in ways that were 
not originally intended or would be laborious to build on your own. 
In a sense, the 3D modeler is suddenly not only attracting 3D artists 
but photographers as well. It works similarly to how modules would 
work in R3. I suspect this will be one of their main income sources.

- Keep proprietary tech to yourself and license it to various vendors. 
This seems to be what they are mainly making their money on now.


This model works really well for them and they are growing constantly 
and with a fanbase about as strong and loyal as RTs. Luxology feels 
like a distinctively non-corporate entity, and like more a bunch 
of people having fun. Purely through years of word of mouth they 
got their program visible in one of the featurettes for the Avatar 
movie and on the Apple website demoing the Mac Pro. They even have 
guys from Pixar on the forums and making tutorials. Modo is known 
for being different than other 3D modelers much like in the same 
way that REBOL is different from other programming languages, making 
it fun to use.


In a sense REBOL as a product is not dissimilar to Modo (it's fun 
to use) and with their business model already working, I think it 
could be grafted onto RT's business model.

Henrik - you can repost it in the Advocacy group, if you wish so 
...

Yes, sorry.

RT is a single person ... I don't think it's possible for one person 
to do all of this

Moving to advocacy...

Graham, the changes doc doesn't include most of the changes yet. 
It's a permissions issue on the new rebol.com site.

OSX 2.7.7 SDK released.

Does that include Intel? PPC was released earlier, with the rest.

separate PPC and Intel version

they are all listed on rebol.com

It would be nice if there was a bundle option ... "Buy all SDK's 
for only ...".

Wonder why this returns an empty set


list-reg/HKLM "SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts"

Is this a bug ?

keys: list-reg/HKLM "SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts"
    probe keys

    keys: get-reg/HKLM "SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts" 
    "URW Palladio L Italic (TrueType)"
    probe keys

    keys: exists-reg?/HKLM "SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts\URW 
    Palladio L Italic (TrueType)" 
    probe keys

produces this

[]
URWPA32_0.TTF
false

think it should be
[ ... list of fonts .. ]
URWPA32_0.TTF
true

this is Ashley's code 


call/output {reg query "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows 
NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts"} fonts: copy ""


but although it works for me, I see that on other systems it just 
locks up.

hello all, as a long time licensee of rebol SDK, I upgraded to 2.7.7 
for

Sorry, I repeat... I upgraded to sdk 2.7.7 for $50. I am a very old 
Command and SDK legally licensed user. I am a macosx and windows 
user. My original license was for windows. According to a mail from 
Cindy, when upgrading to 2.7.7 existing license file would work for 
all platforms. I am willing to support rebol development and this 
why I choose to upgrade even if I do not really have the use for 
such a minor update. But, it looks that current sdk 2.7.7 release 
is not really bullet proof: under macosx, rebcmd et rebpro complain 
they could not find a valid license key file, while encap binaries 
seem to recognize my license key. Under windows XP, my license seem 
to be recognized, but rebcmd returns the following error: 'REBOL 
Internal Error: Boot error: 316' Anyone enconutering such problems? 
Thanks in advance.

I have also been having problems with the Windows SDK. I was supposed 
to be sent a new license for all platforms, but never received it.

This is one reason we are working on 2.7.8.

BH: checking the DB, 1 min.

Not in either DB. (Will msg you directly with info.)

The 2.7.7 release wasn't originally going to be an SDK update, but 
we realized the changes were quite minor, so did it anyway. "A mistake." 
The 2.7.8 release will be correct for the SDK/Command etc.

ok thanks for the update.

I have command sdk license for Windows and also a separate sdk license 
for linux.  So, there is no point in upgrading both ??

I don't know if this is an SDK issue or what.  I have an encapped 
application that under windows xp, the copy and paste works fine 
with control c and v.  But under Windows 7, it's not doing anything.

probe the keystrokes events within a face to see just what is happening.

Restart windows and the issue goes away

So, do we have to wait for 2.7.8 SDK to upgrade ? What about the 
upgrade command inside Rebol? When R3 is finished, do we have to 
buy a new sdk for R3?

2.7.7 sdk seems to be a mistake.

I know Graham, but what about the next updates?

I would expect that you either won't need a sdk for R3 if you have 
host kit ... or, it will cost you :)

the message is that it costs $50 to upgrade and that's good for a 
year

Of course ignoring the fact that for years there are not upgrades

ok

to move to R3, would be an upgrade too ? or new acquisition?

Who knows?