World: r3wp

Active tab refreshing: with regards to user experience, I'm with 
Ashley, but with regards to simpler implementation that gives the 
user (the developer using the widget or the end-user) a choice how 
to deal with the event, I'm with Graham. Either way, I don't think 
people are going to lose too much sleep over this one. If I was using 
tab-panels, I would probably try to catch redundant refreshes, if 
my refreshes were slow, whether the current implementation catches 
them for me or not, in order to be safe with possibly future implementations. 
:)

Ashley, colors/widget used by tab-panel:  I still think it is an 
inherent problem of tab-panel, but it is better I pursue one of the 
other ways you suggested, which probably needs doing anyway. It's 
easier for me to change the slider than for you to change the tab-panel 
colour, which affects more widgets.  (I admit I must be a flat colour 
man..)

ashley, can you add in slider style a function wich changes the size 
of the dragger ?

or can you say me how can change it easily

thank you

BTW, I just logged on to paypal.com website, and they have 5 tabs 
at the top.  Clicking on an active tab still refreshes the page. 
 I am sure that there are however just as many websites that do not 
refresh.

Here's an inconsistency.  If I have a button, and bring up an alert, 
the button remains highlited even after I move the mouse away.  But 
if the button does something else, it dehilites when I move the mouse 
away.

How does one create a widget in a hidden state?  I've got two tab-panels 
one over the other.  I want to hide the one underneath, and expose 
it when I hide the top one?

Use SHOW and HIDE

in Vid you could set the show? facet to false.

perhaps I need to display/layout, and then use hide ?

That should do it...

nope.

Hm...  Show and Hide are Natives I wonder what RebGUI is doing to 
stop them from working...

Got it.
Use a 

do [ widget/show?: false ] 

in the layout.

Is there a word similar to 'focus ?

The following *should* work:

	display "Test" [text false]  or  [text #[false]]


But don't for some reason (the layout parser checks for it). I'll 
fix this for the next build.

display "" [ sum: field "10" button "clear" [ sum/text: copy "" show 
sum ]] do-events

after a couple of clears, the text in the field is no longer visible

Luc: dragger size is controlled by ratio, so just do a "sld/ratio: 
a / b show sld" or similar in your code.

Graham: replace the "show sum" with "rebfocus sum"

Ok.  But if I leave the mouse over the button, it takes 2 clicks 
to clear the field

Fixed in latest build.

Is the current build able to be encapped?

Not with a pre-1.3 SDK. %rebgui-widgets.r uses some 1.3 specific 
words such as case, unless, etc. Once it starts making greater use 
of AGG-specific draw commands there will be no going back.

Pity, as a 1.3 SDK timeline has not been announced yet

Can't have more than one password field ?

>> display "" [ password 10 return password 10 ]  do-events
** Script Error: Face object reused (in more than one pane): none
** Where: view
** Near: show scr-face
if new [do-events]

I think the default behaviour for a tab within an edit-list should 
be to leave the list, and not insert a tab.

How does one force rebol to recover memory?

>> stats
== 4202333
>> do %tour.r
Script: "Untitled" (none)
Script: "RebGUI system" (15-Jun-2005)
>> stats
== 14955467
>> recycle
>> stats
== 14922539

If the memory is allocated (in local variables) then you can't. Cos 
it is still in use.
Otherwise, try recycle/torture


But first, try to work out what stats is saying (cos I don't understand 
it) --- look at this:
  stats

  longstring: form now/precise loop 20 [append longstring random longstring]
  stats

Longstring is some 25meg long and not very compressible , but the 
2nd stats returns (for me) a slighly larger number than the 1st time.


Stats has some refinements now -- try help stats -- they might be 
more useful for tracking memory.

And maybe switch to core group for a general discussion.

>> stats
== 4190349

>>   longstring: form now/precise loop 20 [append longstring random 
longstring]

== {19-Jun-2005/12:18:31.453+2:001.439u-:-3150/2n20810:1:52+0J120:-:+/-05n5222:-1401358.:J0:191u.5n0J9:23082/u11+343
0-105335400-21u...
>>   stats
== 51939328
>> length? longstring
== 30408704
>> 51939328 - 4190349
== 47748979

i guess you had a lot of garbage already? this is from a fresh console.

Graham: If you want to reduce RebGUI's memory footprint just rename 
%dictionary/American.dat ... that alone accounts for more than half 
the memory footprint. ;)

Interestingly enough, adding:

	button "Clear" [clear system/locale/dict]

or

	button "Clear" [system/locale/dict: none]


to %tour.r have lesser and differing effects (from a stats / recycle 
perspective).

Gabriele -- no I was working from a fresh console.

Suggests the new GC is a bit odd, or platform dependant in some ways.

The above is on WinXP.

Ashley, please note the bug with two or more password fields.

graham the bug with many password fields is undertable that's because 
it's designed in a field + password field window (like login requestor 
....)

As long as it can be fixed.  I have a screen I want the user to enter 
the password twice :)

hehe sure you are rght cONFIRMA TION password  for config panel  
!!! I think Ashley doesn't think on this case ;)

Graham: noted and corrected. ;)

I have actually got three password fields .. one for registered users 
to login, and two for new users to register :)

Ashley, you might want to change this page http://www.dobeash.com/it/rebgui/
and remove the reference to it working with the sdk ( until RT releases 
a 1.3 compatible SDK ).

Page updated with, "...  You can even use it from the REBOL/SDK (when 
the View 1.3 SDK is released) ...".

:)

Once it's done, perhaps RT can bundle it in with the sdk.

I'm currently developing a load-svg-icon function that will take 
an SVG file name and size, and return a scaled draw block. Some questions 
need addressing first though (feel free to post the GPL answers to 
the licensing group):


1) Can I distribute a set of GPL SVG icons with the RebGUI zip bundle? 
If so, under what terms / conditions?

2) If someone creates a RebGUI binary application (with the to be 
released SDK) can they include GPLed SVG files, and if so, under 
what terms / conditions?

3) Can GPLed SVG files be distributed under a different file name(s)? 
(e.g. rename gnome-gtk-folder-icon3.svg to open.svg)

4) What if I want to take a set of GPLed SVG files and distribute 
them as pre-converted draw-blocks (so RebGUI apps don't need to convert 
icons from SVG to Draw)?

Now some design questions:


1) Should the result of the proposed load-svg-icon be a draw block 
or an image?

2) Should RebGUI have a stock image cache or a stock draw-cmds cache? 
(i.e. is it better to cache draw cmds or images)

I hope so could be topo a starter point for a more sophisticate and 
polished library of widget to reploace default VID one

AShley terrific  !!!

Hum GPL things must comes with GPL  other things warning authors 
is a good idea too (but some times they are so many that contacting 
eatch of them is hard ;))

no you have to keep original file names (content can be changes if 
you warn the user that you do so in the readme.txt file for example 
) and you have to keep the main authors name