World: r3wp

selecting a few with Ctrl-click, then selecting all, then Ctrl-clicking 
on one to remove it from the selection then shows all but the un-selected 
item... Seems Ctrl-click should be showing all months.

tour.r uses the text-list as follows:


 ex-text-list: text-list (tab-size - 70x25) #HW data (system/locale/months) 
 [
		show-text ex-text-list-text face/selected
	]


so the action (showing currently selected months) is only fired on 
a left-mouse click (single or double). The interesting design question 
here is whether CTRL-A *should also* fire the widget's action? I'm 
open to suggestions on this one. ;)

I think so. It's a "selection action" rather than a "click action". 
The click is a way to achieve a selection, and so is the ctrl-A.

but if the event depends on what is selected ?

ie. what is appropriate for one select may not be for multiple selects.

The action code can merely examine the current selection.

oh no! the user has to write more code to handle that!

In multi mode, the user code can't avoid having to check face/selected 
to see what is in it.

Fixed in one line:

	if find face/options 'multi [
		clear face/picked
		repeat i face/rows [insert tail face/picked i]
		face/action face ; added
	]


works well, with the face being the row last clicked on. %tour.r 
works without modification.

So far, 0.40 is working well with my EMR.

I would like to see keycode support if possible.

Asley: having done some personnal work on area with scroller, 8 hours 
is not so much to have it working the right way.

Yes, keycode is an important thing to support. I never like apps, 
especially the one I use a lot, that can't be controled by short-cuts. 
The most important one is, how to jump in/out of group-boxes, to 
be able to fill in input-forms.

Keycodes are already supported; try:

display "Test" [
	button #"a" [print "A"]
	button #"b" [print "B"]
]


Full keyboard navigation (e.g. tabing into out of group-box, tab-panel, 
etc) is another issue.

well, even model of View is not still OK .... I think the pop-face 
is not ok. Try list-down style and try to press mouse outside its 
boundaries, it should close, but it does not. It at least reacts 
to ESC, but that is hardly sufficient ...

that was quick Ashley!

keycodes were a part of VID, which the source of 'display seems to 
use....

I added them back in 0.3.2. Note that case does not matter: #"a" 
will match both "a" and "A".


keycodes were a part of VID, which the source of 'display seems to 
use

 ... correct on the first count, but keycodes in VID are implemented 
 via the global events system which is not used in RebGUI (for those 
 who are interested and have the SDK sources; have a look at %view-vid.r 
 - Carl's comments make interesting reading).


RebGUI uses a much simpler (and dare I say more efficient) approach 
whereby the layout function (%rebgui-layout.r) collects keycode / 
face pairs and places them in a keycodes block at the window level 
(%rebgui-display.r). These keycodes are used by the 'process-keystroke 
function in %rebgui-edit.r. All this is very different from the way 
in which VID does this.

That sounds like a good approach Ashley, kind of like Windows accelerator 
tables.

Doing it at the window level has a lot of advantages; namely:


 1) automatically supports / handles duplicate keycodes across multiple 
 windows

 2) scales well (a window without keycodes doesn't carry the same 
 overhead as one with lots)

 3) can have multiple keycodes referring to the same face (for efficiency, 
 RebGUI's layout function only uses the last one specified)

 4) can have a keycode that refers to multiple faces (for sanity's 
 sake, RebGUI only acts upon the first face referred to)

Robert: "... a way to specify a starting size of the window that's 
not maximized. I want my app started with a size of 1024x768" Is 
that inclusive or exclusive of:


1) OS Window title bar and borders (which varies not only between 
OS, but also OS version and what DPI settings are in force)

2) Taskbar size and position (Windows) or Dock size and position 
(Mac) or ... (Linux)

Also, what happens if:

1) My display is 800x600, or the more common 1280x1024
2) I use a TabletPC or have an LCD in 768x1024 portrait mode?
3) Someone wants to use my app on a small PDA (300x200)


These are hard issues for a GUI designer to address in a generic 
manner. RebGUI provides some generalized approaches:


1) margin, gap, slider width, cell and font sizes - so you can choose 
sizes appropriates for the target display device
2) colors - so you can cater for 256-color (or lower) devices

3) Auto-resize directives (#HWXY) combined with /maximize - so your 
displays can use all available space without having to know the resolution 
in advance

4) /position refinements that are generic (top, bottom, first, second) 
- so you can design layouts in terms of, "I want this display on 
the left and this one on the right"


So the long answer to this question is, wanting to set an explicit 
display size is the wrong approach unless you are targeting a specific 
resolution device - and in that case just design your displays to 
use /maximise and be done with it. ;)

Robert: "Is there a way to re-use widgets like done with 'style in 
VID? For example: I have a drop-list specification, I need at several 
places but I don't want to copy the code."

Short answer, no.


If you have a "style" that is sufficiently different from the base 
widget (that is used often) then consider:

1) modify the widget's defaults in %rebgui-widgets.r, or
2) modify them inline, as in:

	ctx-rebgui/widgets/<widget>/<facet>: <value>

3) derive a new widget that works exactly the way you want.

Ashley: there is a reason, though, why VID was done that way. What 
happens if you add a face to a window's pane? VID allows that without 
any special processing. In your case you need to update the keycode 
table for the window.

And more. In VID you can quite easily add a face to another face's 
pane, whereas in RebGUI you sometimes want to add (or replace) a 
particular widget in a display with another (there is little need 
in RebGUI to add faces to a pane as these low-level details are taken 
care of by the widgets themselves).

I'm finding that some of my windows won't respond to using keycodes.

display "Keycode" [ text "test" return button "Close" #"^[" [halt] 
] do-events

doesn't respond to esc key

Added to issues. I think it is being [erronously] trapped by the 
area / field undo functionality.

that's going to be tricky to solve then.

Not really. RebGUI can work out what widget currently has focus (if 
any) AND if it's a widget that has undo support enabled.

got a quick fix then ?  :)

When I get some time to look at it. ;)

can you have more than one keycode for a field?

eg. I want to use space and ^M for "OK"

ESC can be fixed by changing the last few lines of 'process-keystroke 
(in %rebgui-edit.r) to read as follows:

;			#"^[" [
;				;	ESC
;				hide-popup
;			]
		][
			either all [
				event/key = #"^["
				find view*/pop-list view*/pop-face
			][
				hide-popup
			][
				;	if key is assigned to an action do it
				if any [
					not view*/focal-face
					find [button] view*/focal-face/type
				][
					if f: select face/keycodes event/key [f/action f exit]
				]
			]
		]


Only the last of multiple keystrokes provided is used; but note that 
SPC is already mapped to button (so specifying #"^M" would give it 
two mappings ... a keystroke mapping and it's base "SPC activated 
on focus" default).

in an alert, does the "OK" button automatically have focus?

No, but it should.

startup-size: I know about all the problems. But I just want to be 
able to specify it. Because my app will work this way. It's not intended 
for 800x600 in the first version. At the moment I have to click on 
the window and move it, to get the min-size size.

style: Hmm... ok. I'll have a look how to get it done.

So the question remains; do you want to specify "size" inclusive 
or exclusive of OS title-bar and window border(s)? If min-size was 
enforced on opening the window (if that's even possible) would that 
suffice?

Yes, because I than I just would use 1000x750 and that's great.

Skinning: Is it possible ot skin RebGUI in a way that things like 
tabs look Mac like, or that I can add some eye-candy?

yes, Rebgui looks very vague :-)

you can now at least change colors, I like more  blue/grey combination 
with gradient .....

but the answer in the past was that RebGUI was not meant to be that 
flexible .... so the chances of skinning system are imo limited ... 
but you can always go to 'tab style and change it yourself?

Yes, I know. IMO it makes sense to add a skinnig feature but a lightweight 
one. RebGUI is pure and minimalistic (which it isn't anyway) and 
in this sense should it be possible to add eye-candy stuff.

How to set the focus to specific field?

show-focus ?

Sounds good :-)

What's the best way to create a number-only-input field? At the moment 
I just use field, where the user can input text and I first have 
to convert the input to-decimal to get back a number. Is there a 
way to just get back the number?

not yet.