World: r3wp

i guess there are multiple levels of protocols. 

one is tcp<->http and such, brom bytes to structured messages. thats 
uniserve. 

the next is from http<->orientation. you need that to ask for services 
and such. with p2p even more, for distributed searching. thats chord 
and such. 

lns and beer support building things like chord. maybe kind of networks-events 
thru p2p-apps.
then you have a orientation<->meaning, which is app-specific.

- Chris / Rebmap : very nice but the map is soooo small.


- Questions to Carl : Reicharts has ask every questions to Carl Saturday 
evening (Italian time : GMT+2), ended after the banket. There was 
30 witness ;-) No Internet at the hotel, so wait a bit he find a 
connection to post it.


- Uniserve vs. LNS : don't compare "TCP" and "MSM messenger" please 
! Uniserve is just an async network engine. LNS act at the OSI application 
level. LNS can work on Uniserve, HTTP, mail, even floppy if you want 
(the last 3 are Gabriele words).


- Online Free BEER : Jaime give us this url, but it doesn't work 
(or I made a mistake while I wrote it)
 http://www.whywire.net/share/beer-sdk.tar.gz

thanks DideC - you from France?

Just a few word to say that the Devcon was very a nice for me (hey, 
it's my first one ;-)

I have meet many guys I already know from here, and also some that 
we don't know. So there is more people using Rebol than just the 
one you see on Altme :)

Yes, France.

Anyone from France there? DocKimble? :-)

As Uniserve vs LNS - that is nice that LNS is more or less app level 
(services) protocol, but we need also strong, async transfer. Sadly 
I thought LNS will bring it too ...

DideC - so you heard Carl's responses, right? Could you a bit elaborate? 
E.g. what is the plan for VID? Was there any concrete info of how 
Carl/RT wants to full-fill his plan/claims?

- No, I was the only French (don't ask why about this : 30 guys already 
did it in Milano).


- Question : Reichards, takes note on his laptops, just wait a litle 
more.


- LNS is a sort of XMLRPC protocol (or something like that), but 
Rebol dialect based and secure. No relation with low level async 
networking at all. But it can be used asynchronously : it just mean 
your apps does not wait the answer to continue.


- I just came back a few hours ago, and days were long, but night 
very short ;-)
So I got to go to bed right now (its midnight!).

I mean Devcon days and nights of course.

OK, so see you later ...

going to bed too .... waiting for news for 4 days is enough :-) .... 
will let it go now, to morrow I will have to do some real work, so 
potential news will not hit me as much as it would otherwise :-)

Just arrived at home from the DevCon. They have been 4 beautiful 
days, I learnt a lot and have recharged my batteries too. Thank you 
to everybody because I met a lot of  kind and friendly rebolers.

Report please!!!

ti would like to read more about BEER is there any onlie documentation 
or wiki ?

nope.

This dearth of information is somewhat of a kill joy :(

You'll survive. :)

But badly scarred by the experience !

Aye, if we keep going in this direction, by next years conference 
we'll have to PAY.. and still not get any info

:)

maybe next year there will be no conference at all :-)

Or, maybe there will be two conferences!

maybe we should switch to more "reliable" and proven tools as IRC? 
:-) Even back in 96 I do remember moderated Amiga shows on IRC, where 
hundreds of ppl were logged to chat with Amiga representatives. IMO 
in fact it is a mistake of organisers not scheduling e-QA session 
with Carl ... that should imo become natural part of such events 
...

IRC doesn't work without a network connection

It's the venue that presented a challenge, apparently. They had some 
nice plans but firewalls sort of foiled everything.

IIRC is mostly common and I wonder if IRC ports are blocked :-) Even 
our company allows ports like ICQ or IRC upon written request ....

I think the lesson for next year would be "hold it someplace where 
you know you can get to the outside world," because the rest of us 
get a little cranky :-)

I wonder if there was no single notebook with GPRS connection? Even 
I have one and we are quite not so rich country you know :-)

Make no assumptions ...

Lucky so-and-so. I don't have a GPRS. I don't even know what it is.

o_0

it is PCMCIA card, holding your GSM card - basically a GSM connection, 
packed based - so you are accounted for how many of data you transfer, 
not for how long you "talk".

allows global wireless roaming at about 14kbs

ah, ok. Thanks

I guess it is being replaced now by 3G.

so basically your cell-phone in PCMCIA slot, using packet based connection. 
All three mobile operators provide it here. There is not even newer 
standard, called EDGE, which runs upon that and allows speed up to 
150kbit, which is nice for basically cell-phone connection ...

what about edge ? doens't suposed to go about 48kbs ¿?

3G is run on a long distance .... at least here ...

That does sound pretty good. I just use WiFi at home and the local 
coffee shops.

hoo i see

EDGE is here already too, just your GSM stations have to support 
that and here in CZ such are only in big towns yet ....

but even one single GPRS connection is very fine for things like 
AltME and to obey firewall problems .... actually, I am writing now 
from my notebook at my work, so via GPRS, otherwise our company uses 
really strict firewall policies :-)

what about SMS ? could be easy to deliver text this whay ?

SMS? Not sure - it is only some 160 chars ... not so reliable .... 
costst money ...

I have really relatively cheap GPRS connection, unlimited data, 24/7 
for some 40 USD ....

wherever I travell in CZ, and I can reach the signal of my GSM provider, 
then I am on internet ....

streaming seems the better choice, i still dont know why this wasn't 
possible at devcon

yes, of course - thewere was problem with firewall at the place devcon 
took place. But streaming does take large thougput - the thing is 
- there was no single GPRS connection, so we not only missed streaming, 
but we were basically cut-off of any info, untill Reichart/Jiame 
managed connection for a short period of time or Reichart used QTask 
to provide us with some info ...

well... this kind of things shoud be known prior the conference dont 
you think, as far i know this whas just a pizza party in italy, we 
work with computers, dont we ?