World: r3wp

fly tikets are realy cheap in europe thats realy strage, you'r right.

Perhaps the wine wasn't good enough?

Brian:  <I think the lesson for next year would be "hold it someplace 
where you know you can get to the outside world,">

The big issue is that its held where someone volunteered to host 
it. That may not meet everyone's needs, but its unfair to knock a 
volunteer for not doing something no one else volunteered for either.


One idea for next year......a non-attender volunteers to be info 
officer.....They get the papers in advance, and publish them according 
to the conference schedule. So at least the backbone is published 
in sync....... Now, someone solve the interacive bits....But we now 
really need a DevCon2006 group.

Sunanda - let's not just complicate things. If someone can't get 
one single GPRS non-behind the firewall connection, than it is a 
bit worrying :-)

Noone just knocks Gabriele for anything :-) In fact, if I think about 
the devcon in Prague eventually, I alredy  know it really will cost 
a LOT of energy to spend. Gabriele did very good job, the troubles 
just happen ...

Basically we are just sorry it happened ..... but maybe next year 
it would be good to have slides for presentations before the conference. 
With most conferences, it is requirement also ... otoh I can imagine 
someone hacking his presentation few hours before the actual lesson 
:-) We are all somehow pressed for the time :-)

OK, what do you want to know?

everything :-)

COnference was good :-)\

I posted my quick 10 questions, Reichart published them on QTask, 
someone other posted another two ones ...

Basically we saw: rich-text, BEER, rebcode, LNS.

but I may ask them directly right now ....

so rebcode and rich text become natural part of View from now on?

And on the application side: Canvas, the detective, qtask

Well, we saw them.

who did demo of rebcode? Any actual examples of where could speed-up 
be applied?

And REBOL will try to grow by becoming a scripting language around 
a communications product (Carl mentioned in his speech that in order 
to grow orders of magnitude Rebol would need to reach users)

Cyphre did; he did rich-text and the last 30 secs of his presentation 
he mentioned that doing it in rebcode sped things up a lot.

like 15-30 times, forgot the figure.

ok - did Carl mentioned any concrete partnership? What is the communication 
product? Such claims, as rasing x-fold in usage have to be backed 
up somehow ... and was there mention of VitalNeeds? They don't mention 
REBOL anywhere on their website anymore. Was the partnership lost?

The thing about devcon is not the presentations, but the dinners 
and meetings in between; that's where a lot of things get discussed.

VitalNeeds: don't know.

Of course, can imagine that :-)

Communications product: I think it is AltMe2/IOS-next gen.

We also saw VID redesign mentioned - what was basically said in that 
regards? It was also mentioned several times ... any concrete info 
here?

Why do you think we see rich-text and LNS? Because they are the foundations. 
And rebcode is needed for media (speeding up code)

No concrete info; but *everybody* agreed it had to be changed or 
redone'

Talk about rebol/Coop is here for quite some time. If it is that 
- altme-ios mixtuer = coop, I wonder if any work was actually done 
already? (except the fact that LNS are nearly ready to go ...)

No, Coop is a  way for RT to speed up rebol development with the 
community.

ah so ...

Perhaps next year you should come yourself  ;-)

there was also mentioned the team grows - does it basically mean 
that RT has some more ppl on contracts, will have them, or will even 
employ some ppl as in the past? (Holger, Jeff)

Don't know

Maarten - that is typical answer and rather dishonest to those who 
could not some. Smells like elite talk - we don't need it, really 
;-)

some = come

But honestly, I don't know. I know Gabriele is doing work, Cyphre 
did, ....

Your overall impression? Are you staying with Rebol? :-)

Yes.

My impression is that it is time to bite the bullet: either the next 
two years will be the big step forward or it is dead (community-wise). 
I expect the first; there are simply getting more rebol based products 
out that make people say "Wow!"

- Qtask
- Altme2
- SURFnet Detective
- Canvas/Dpaint
- Some of Ashley's stuff
- Jaime's wireless stuff

And then all the projects I can't remember

IT in general is at a dead-end. Rebol based products will break new 
markets open.

And there are a lot of new features/libraries that will enable even 
more rapid (=profitable) development.

To quote Reichart:
Phase1: Get underwear
Phase2: Never mind phase 2
Phase3: Profit

libraries?

rebGUI, BEER, ... rebCode, rich-text, LNS, ...

Gotta go now, later!

ok, thnks ...

I'd be interested in a comparison on how BEER implements LNS and 
the official LNS.

But it certainly sounds as though much more was shown this year .. 
whereas last year's stuff seems to have largely evapourated.