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But Carl said that tasking for rebol will come in 3.x family, so 
it means - never or not sooner than in two years imo :-)

Volker: he surely means encoding :-)

Give Carl a loong holliday and i am sure he comes back with tasking, 
3.0 or not :)

yes, it seems so :-) VM appeared from nowhere and voila - it is here 
:-)

transferring to the computer; recording is not that wrong to indicate 
that and it was shorter :P

after transfer we have encoding.

:-)

Volker, no, as far as I'm aware even back in the early 80's `Carl 
was credited by even Byte magazine as the inventor.

I am just curious how is that Carl did not include strong modularisation 
into Rebol from the very beginning?

Amiga had even async library calls (devices), it was really a joy 
to watch that 7HMz system do cool job, copying on 3 floppies, without 
a glitch to UI usablitiy - now try to insert floppy or CD into your 
3GHz WinXP system - that is really rudiculous what MS thinks :-)

I'm guessing the reason Rebol was not modularized up front, is that 
his goals was that it be so small that it did not need to be.


It is sort of like when developers make games for handhelds, they 
think it will be easier somehow than full computers.  But a hand 
held is only small in size physically.


And yes, the Amiga was simply cool.  PCs still suck, even when they 
are 400 bloody times faster!!!

yes, but I mean modularisation in regards to tasking/threading, other 
kind of events etc ...

but for overall kind of apps, rebol is ok as it is, plus minus few 
handy changes would be welcomed. Lack of tasking imo in no way prevets 
us from building usefull stuff (maybe only in the case when you want 
to have kind of server app)

I wonder about one thing - would ppl here or even let's include ml 
to have kind of poll available? I think that RT has (starting from 
1.3 project) kind of fresh energy aproach, so maybe if we present 
our ideas for enhancements/fixes to Carl in some unified way (REP 
for e.g.), we could then create dedicated SIGs to work on it further. 
Some topics for discusion - better library interface, oulining VID 
future, sound, Rebol windowing (in regards to OS layer) etc.

Yup, I suggested this in detail at the DevCon.
The question is, how public to make it?


We could Use Qtask right now for this.  Use the Project Chat to discuss 
features, and the Tasks to outline specific items.

With Qtask, you can assign Carl as the Doer (LOL), and you can set 
yourself as a watcher so that if there is any action on a task you 
know about it.

Cons:


Qtask is by invite only right now (which makes it a bit a elitist, 
which I apologize for).


It is a slow interface, although it will get faster each month, until 
we reach the point it has client apps, which will be very fast.

I noticed its interface is rather slow - is that due to complicated 
design? Or slow connection to Internet?

it's due to it being a web page :P

Gabriele - maybe not? I browse web here and there and I am not sure 
it is because of web in general - plenty of very fast websites around 
..

it's alpha, which means non optimized yet.

My suspicion is that it holds strong table design - all that shadowing 
is imo done by table-in-table, using bitmaps etc. Maybe more of css 
based design would help?

but, you can't get very much out of the web anyway. qtask has a long 
list of prople with the photos and so on...

but back to topic .... dunno if general audience is interested into 
what I described very shortly. The thing is QTask may be the right 
way to get the job done, although to discuss, I would use AltME still 
.... but to define tasks, subtasks etc., QTask may be OK.

RAMBO is ok, but in no way to watch implementation plan ....

anyone with photos of the DevCon - please upload them here: http://www.rebol.net/devcon/2005/

Today in the morning I watched Carl's presentation and it seems to 
me that this time Carl was not so concrete as last year, mainly a 
general ideas were presented and "what would be cool to achieve" 
without actually defining how to achieve that?

well, maybe just my lack of proper English understanding plays some 
role here, but the only concrete thing I remember is the mid-november 
date for some releases ....

more detail will probably be announced later... maybe nov. 14th :P

yes, I noticed 14.11 mentioned here or there - what that concrete 
date? Why not 15.11? :-) Does it have any other meaning, or just 
14.11. was choosed and not related to anything?

because people wanted a concrete date... and Carl just said nov. 
14th :)

aha :-)

I expect rich-text, LNS and rebcode trio announcement/release :-)

Gabriele - are the uploaded photos downloadable? I could find any 
link to them.

there are no uploaded photos yet :)

I remember that Carl, same weeks ago, told that /Services would/will 
be used to organize groups of developers to target different aims. 
Am I wrong?

REBOL/Coop, which will be created just for that, will be based on 
/Services.

Gabriele - what was the mention of file-syncs etc about? Will LNS 
sport some kind of IOS syncing pre-built or ....

with regards to QTask speed.., from my experience..it really depends 
on time of day and who logs on.


it gets slows once the QTask developers starts working...but apart 
from that, it can be 'breezy'.

Reichart mentions that there are plans to speed things up. Specific 
details, I will leave it up to him to share.

LNS does not have file-sync in. but, file-sync (next-gen IOS, to 
be used in Altissimo and so on) is probably going to be the first 
thing we build on LNS.

LNS is like ARexx. ARexx does not do image manipulation, but you 
can send commands to DPaint, or PPaint, or whatever, to do image 
processing.

and what is 'File-sync going to be? kind of syncing frame-work based 
upon LNS? Commercial or free one?

Altissimo is AltME 2.0, no? But that is Reichart's product, or how 
is that related to LNS? You work for Reichart of RT ... or both? 
:-))

IIIRC reichart mentioned safeworld buid /platform. i guess thats 
related to lns too?

i guess you should wait for an announcement for that.

oops, we ae web-public here?

we should have <beep> secret message </beep> option here ... :-)

looks like my mp4 is ready :) starting upload in a few secs.

yippie! starting download a few secs later :)

just need to add the link...

done!

OT publishing to web is nice. but if altme supports that itself, 
it could have a checkbox to hide messages. could then have a *mesage 
not public* instead.