World: r3wp

DideC: "hacking" together at a project, i.e. writing something together.

Gabriele, is it too late to add a presentation slot for me? (I thought 
I already had one (-  ) Topic would be:

	Building & selling REBOL-based solutions - theory and practice.

or if folks preferred:

	Building REBOL-based community projects - RebGUI case study.

Ashley I give you +1 for the first one.

And +1 for the second.

+1 for the first

I would like to see following topic covered - Rebol deployment - 
how to link rebol into other environments - library wrappers, callbacks, 
what would language extensions bring us etc. Such session would have 
to be done by Rebol experienced programmer, who eventually will be 
able to get some supporting info from RT about what is planned. So 
- DevCon05 is near, plans changed - 1.3, SDK priority etc, but NONE 
of last DevCon stuff appeared. I would like to hear how long will 
we wait for already announced stuff like ReBIN, RIF, async, LNS, 
etc.

but maybe this one will be covered by Carl during his keynote speach, 
I would like to hear some more realistic schedules though :-)

ashley: done.

petr: cyphre is looking for a topic... so maybe you can suggest that 
to him :)

yes, after all he has some experience by helping RT to integrate 
AGG, so .... :-)

With all of the talk about new widgets etc, maybe Cyphre would be 
interested in a tutorial or introduction into building new View or 
RebGUI widgets?

Ashley, I give you +1 for both topics  ;-)

Brock - good one! Understanding View/VID and its lower level internals 
would be good to have presented ...

and documented.

Gabriele could you post a link for the italian fligth search engine?

hmm, one is http://viaggi.virgilio.it/prenotazioni/voli/index.html

this one is in english and should have italian flights too http://www.travelocity.com/

I am looking for cheap flights within Europe. I want to visit some 
frieds after the DevCon.

I used www.air-gorilla.com - they beat all the other prices I got 
for flying into Rome then home from Milan

(And we hope that they actually provide planes with it too. ;)

Hahaha

Big Germany based engines are:
	- Hotel: www.hrs.de (with english interface)
	- Flights: www.biller-reisen.de (not sure if EN interface)

Someone here wanted to prepare presentation about business possibilities 
and using certain language (REBOL). Here's one article regarding 
"The economics of programming languages" - http://www.dedasys.com/articles/programming_language_economics.html
(taken from osnews.com)

Registrations are now open!

http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/register.html

Please remember that you must register before July 31st if you want 
to get hotel reservations with your registration.

I am looking for a roommate to split costs.

If you select sharing a room and check "suggest ..." I will suggest 
possible roommates as soon as i have enough submissions.

Registration is now available via a web form, too.

in all cases REbGUI must be presented as a main effort of cooperativ 
work on a bettring VID project that commes from the ground (people 
like me the basement or rebol coder community and not REbol Technology) 
This kind of work are essential iMO for a better diffusion of rebol 
and to make lighter the work of CARL upon REBOL VM ... Do carl can 
handle all alone ? Can't we apport a sort pf answer and show to rebolers 
and to RT that cooperativ work and hudge project are pretty usefull 
for educationnal purposes but for rebol large diffusion and adoption 
by the professional area ?

MDP-BRowser is a good tool too allready on work but even with the 
remaining bugs I will try to solve soon this open a new scope for 
IOS use an professionnal share working.

MDP-BRowser have been done fast because of thatt the idea was yet 
there floating in the air (most of code was existing but exploded 
in several project related but disociated ...)

shadwolf, sounds like you are volunteering to present REBGUI...(wink, 
wink, nudge, nudge, say no more...Monty Python quote)

It IS what REBOL needs most, applications which are complete, professional, 
and good examples to others what REBOLers can do.

and/or MDP-GUI ...

He is, if you paid his ticket ;-)

Speakers don't pay any ticket. (except the Banquet, of course.)

now, you'll regret not being a speaker. :P

btw, i will not send the payment request immediately. no need for 
that right now; (especially the banquet). but, please hurry if you 
want an hotel reservation! the sooner you register, the more time 
we have to arrange things and so on.

so... if you were waiting to register because you want to wait for 
paying... please register now, and you will pay later. (in a couple 
weeks, a month for speakers that only need to pay for the banquet.)

I should have put ticket into quote. By "ticket", I mean, planes, 
train, lunch, hotel....
I should have said the "Journey" or "Travel" instead

I need Milan plan to be announce before registering :(

what do you need to know exactly? i'll ask mario if he has any plans 
ready...

Does it plan "visit of Milan" for the Wenesday or Thursday ?

And so for hotel, it mean one night at Milan or all at Treviglio 
?

All this for a question of total cost for my italian trip!

I need the most informations to "budget" everything.

my idea was for it to be on thursday, and i think there's no need 
to stay one night in milan (treviglio is close enough). i'll ask 
Mario what his plans are.

From Mario: "I think that coming in a hotel in Treviglio is cheaper. 
The return Treviglio-Milano railway ticket is around 10€ and the 
Milan 24h underground/bus/tram ticket is 3€ so DideC can save money 
as the train usually takes 30 to 45 minutes from Treviglio to Milano.


About the visit in Milano I can help for sure during the afternoon 
and evening. If there are a few people I can go with them and ttake 
them back with the car. If there are a lot of people willing to see 
Milan the days before the conference I can make a plan for Milan 
visit.


How much can be the budget for Milano tour? Leaving out the 3€ 
there are free things to visit as museums (should pay) or the castle 
(free or paid guided tour) as the Cathedral lift to see "il Duomo 
e la Madunina"...


I just need to know how much time, when, who and an aproximate budget 
per day."

€ = euro

I think 30 uero per day for the visists could be enough.
I 
assume hotel and transports as fixed cost (60 euros at most per day 
unless one gets the royal suite deluxe).
For food one can choose 
between 5 euro at McDonalds or 100 euro for an expensive restaurant. 
With 40 euros a day you can eat a lot and still choose very good 
food. I think 25 to 30 euros per day is the right choice.

I'm away 
for an hour (must eat)...

website updated! http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/index.html

I've two questions. 1) I plan to come Saterday 24th at Rome and already 
visit things in Rome with my wife even if I'll visit Rome with the 
group on Wednesday 28th. Can I make a reservation for hotel Virginia 
with registration form of DevCon2005 website with your interresting 
price (90€ for a double room) for my whole stay in Rome (5 nights)