World: r3wp

I wish he would use shorter paragraphs.

Reichart: I'm surprised the tools you are wishing for in order to 
start holding online classes aren't already build in Rebol... From 
what I've seen, all the bits and pieces seem to be there already, 
maybe except for a whiteboard. No?

Rebol is a language...

Well I did'nt mean "built-in" in Rebol, but built using Rebol, of 
course.

To everyone:

What characterize a good learning book? Do you prefer thick books 
with deep explanation and many examples, or do you prefer the thin 
book with the essentials? Look at your collection of technical book; 
about computer languages, OSs, databases or what you have. Which 
ones do you like, and which ones is no-good?

the bigger the better

and preferably with water proof pages so I can read it in the bath 
:)

lol, you're special!

I have some big books I like, but my favorites tend to be smaller. 
I love Jon Bentley's books, and anything by Robert Glass (almost 
wrote Philip Glass there :-), Kernighan, and DeMarco and Lister are 
other favorites.

I actually bought some HP tough paper for this purpose.  It's water 
proof and and can be printed upon with laser printers.

and very expensive

So, I can debug my programs in the bath :)

:-D

Hi everyone,

I'm a newbie and wanted to ask this question on a simple rebol program. 
 If I have a variable COUNT and I wanted to write this value with 
a literal could I do this:  write OutFile [Count " Total lines"]/append. 
 But the word Count is not evaluated and I get "Count Total lines" 
instead of "8 Total lines".  What do I need to tell rebol to return 
the value of COUNT?

hi Patrik,

try this:

write OutFile reduce [Count  " Total lines"]

Rebolek - Does the word REDUCE evaluate all values in the block?

yes

Thank you -- I'll try it

If you do not want to evaluate everything, use compose:
compose [(count) " Total lines"]

then only values in parens get evaluated

Works -- Thank you

A suggestion: Many words in REBOL can do more than one thing, sometimes 
depending on data-type of the argument or the use of refinements. 
It's almost impossible to remember it all. So as a new one to the 
language, check the help for the new words, you're learning. Like
>> ? reduce
>> ? compose

As a newbie, what suggestions do you have for me to debug my rebol 
scripts.  For example, I have a script called "Convert_to_Table" 
that I am just starting to write.  I can execute it -stand alone- 
and see the results of the run, but what I would like to do is be 
able to see what the console has for any values.  In other words, 
when I double click the "Convert_to_Table" I can see the results 
but not ask the console questions like print Count or the like.  
How do you suggest a newbie debug a script?  Should I go into console 
first and then perform a "do Convert_to_Table" and then be able to 
ask questions of console, or is there another way?.

Yes, use the console! Also use PROBE in the script to check values. 
You can put PROBE in anywhere, also in the middle of a sequnce of 
words.

Use some time to really understand probe. I use it all the time.

Carl write about the console here: http://www.rebol.com/docs/quick-start4.html

I will check it out

I rarely type into the console and probe everywhere in the code. 
there is also '??, which shows the name of the word too.

Hi Volker,  after a few variations, I used this: print reduce ["var-name= 
" var-name]  What is the syntax for '??

?? - it's same as with probe:

>> ?? probe
probe: func [

    {Prints a molded, unevaluated value and returns the same value.}
    value
][
    print mold :value :value
]

Ohhh I like the ?? var-name better!

Sorry, I meant ?? works same as ?, not probe

hte advantage of probe is that you can insert it anywhere in your 
code

it prints value to console and returns that value

thats true with ?? too (as long as you dump vars) thats the advantage 
over ?

you have for example your code:
	append head copy/part trim string ln "something"

and to easy understand what's going on, you can put 'probe after 
'append, 'head, 'copy/part and 'trim to see how the evaluation is 
going on.

Volker: no, ?? gets 'value and probe gets value as input, so they 
return something different.

probe evaluates, while?? not.

but you can put both in the expression

Ok to sum up: Probe will return only the value to console, ? will 
return the variable along with short text and value, and ?? will 
return var name with value

append head copy/part trim  ?? string ?? ln "something" ; works

?? does a get, you can put it in expressions before variables

Volker: no, ?? changes the meaning of expression in case you put 
it before function:
>> f: func [a][a]
>> a: 1
== 1
>> b: probe f a
1
== 1
>> type? :b
== integer!
>> b: ?? f a
f: func [a][a]
== 1
>> type? :b
== function!

Wow, I guess there are a lot of ways to "explain" how rebol is evaluating 
an expression.  Thank you.  I will try them all sometime.

P.S.  In AltMe, what do you guys type to get a carriage return without 
sending the AltMe message until you do an <enter>

It's the "pen" icon, press it and you can send messages with CTRL+S

This is a test
This is a test
OK It works!

If you hover over the icons, you see the help info text at top left.

Rebolek, i said  all the time "with variables". Of course it does 
not know what you use as function and what as variable