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[rebcode] Rebcode discussion
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Volker 30-Oct-2005 [1116] | Seems so. Where is the latest "release"? |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [1117] | Same place the rest of the latest releases are. http://www.rebol.net/builds/031/?C=M;O=D |
Oldes 31-Oct-2005 [1118x2] | Isn't it shame, that the rewrite function from rebcode* context with the userdef-rule is missing in the latest rebcode? |
I already found it usefull, here is an example: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/rc_bunky7.r | |
BrianH 31-Oct-2005 [1120] | As far as I can tell, it's just missing for now. If things go the way they have been, it'll be even better when it comes back. |
Ladislav 1-Nov-2005 [1121] | I think, REBCODE will be great for teaching won't it? |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1122] | Several of my suggestions and comments have been intended to make rebcode easier to learn. Easier to use is a side effect. |
Volker 1-Nov-2005 [1123] | Porting knut to rebcode? :) |
Ladislav 1-Nov-2005 [1124] | what is knut? |
Volker 1-Nov-2005 [1125] | Typo, Knuth. Wrote some legendary programmingbooks, AFAIK he used some kind of assembler for examples. :) |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1126] | Mix |
Ladislav 1-Nov-2005 [1127] | It might be desirable to find out if any feature of his assembler is missing. Volunteers? |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1128x2] | I don't have the Knuth books, but there is a port of Mix to the .NET CLR that I've been meaning to look at. |
Does anyone know if Mix supports branches to addresses? Rebcode just branches to relative offsets. | |
Ladislav 1-Nov-2005 [1130] | see http://sunburn.stanford.edu/~knuth/mmix.html |
Sunanda 1-Nov-2005 [1131] | Technically Mix was the virtual machine, Mixal was its assembler. It has loads of things for i/o to devices like paper tape....I think rebcode could assume that happens as the mezznine level. |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1132] | i and o could be series parameters |
Gabriele 1-Nov-2005 [1133] | Oldes: the rewriting engine is mezzanine, so it can be easily added back by users. i will take care of releasing a script containing it as soon as we have an official version out. |
Pekr 1-Nov-2005 [1134] | so official version will not contain rewriting engine? |
Gabriele 1-Nov-2005 [1135] | that's not decided yet, but probably not. |
Pekr 1-Nov-2005 [1136] | was it regarded being way too much high-level or so? Or inflexible, so that other ppl might find different way of how to aproach this? |
Gabriele 1-Nov-2005 [1137] | the main thing is, that the details need to be discussed more (i.e. the grammar for the rules dialect, and things like this). |
Pekr 1-Nov-2005 [1138] | ok, thanks ... |
Rebolek 1-Nov-2005 [1139] | is there some decimal FLOOR opcode in rebcode, or should I use [to-int val to-dec val] instead? Would be FLOOR a good addition? |
Ladislav 1-Nov-2005 [1140] | FLOOR: ROUND can be adapted to Rebcode, but only partially - some datatypes aren't available yet, and I have got a newer ROUND version - better suited for Rebcodization |
Rebolek 1-Nov-2005 [1141] | I don't need whole ROUND functionality, right now just FLOOR is OK for me (but OTOH, ROUND is very useful). |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1142] | The to-int opcode is equivalent to floor, at least the round-down-to-0 version of floor. Ceiling can be done by adding 1 (or subtracting if the argument is negative). |
Oldes 1-Nov-2005 [1143x2] | I did some test with integer conversions and found, that using rebcode is 3x faster than using struct! :) |
But will rather wait a little bit before making more complex rebcodes, it would be good to have some place for rebcode scripts | |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1145] | So they will all be where we can find them when we have to change their opcodes after the great rename? |
Pekr 1-Nov-2005 [1146] | grand rename? :-) it will happen soon, no? |
Ladislav 1-Nov-2005 [1147] | one more link to MMIX: http://sunburn.stanford.edu/~knuth/fasc1.ps.gz |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1148] | Petr, they say the next version. |
Rebolek 1-Nov-2005 [1149] | Brian: I know I can use to-int but I need decimal value so I'm using to-int to-dec. Don't know if native floor would be faster.. |
BrianH 1-Nov-2005 [1150x5] | Probably not. |
Posted to RAMBO: | |
A SIGN opcode would set a word to the integer -1, 0 or 1 depending on whether an argument is less than, equal to, or greater than 0. sign: ["Set variable to the sign of a value (-1,0,1)" word! word!] It would be preferable to have SIGN work with all numeric arguments, but you might choose to implement this as sign.i and sign.d for speed - either way is fine by me. The SIGN opcode, when combined with BRAB, would enable functionality equivalent to the BRAS proposal (#3948), and so would supercede it. There are many other uses as well. | |
; Equivalent of BRAS (RAMBO 3948): sign a x brab [l0 l1] ; x < 0 label l0 ; x = 0 label l1 ; x > 0 ; Equivalent of CEILING to-int x sign a x add x a | |
; Equivalent of COMPARE for numbers set a x sub a y sign a a | |
Rebolek 3-Nov-2005 [1155x2] | Is/will be possible to use apply on function in object! ? Following code does not work: |
>> ctx: context [rcmul: rebcode [a][mul a 2 return a]] >> rca: rebcode [a][apply x ctx/rcmul [a] return x] ** User Error: Syntax error: apply x ctx/rcmul [a] return x ** Near: make error! reform [msg copy/part mold/only where 50] | |
Volker 3-Nov-2005 [1157] | Not sure, we can now take the value of a word? with bind or something? and then apply that? |
Geomol 3-Nov-2005 [1158] | Yes, you can do this: >> ctx: context [rcmul: rebcode [a][mul a 2 return a]] >> myrcmul: get in ctx 'rcmul >> rca: rebcode [a][apply x myrcmul [a] return x] >> rca 3 == 6 But I think, Kru got a point. It would be better to be able to do it his way. |
Rebolek 3-Nov-2005 [1159x2] | Geomol I thought it's possible this way, but I've got object that holds some values plus function for manipulating this values. So it's not possible to export my function to global context. |
Because I've got lot of this objects (i.e. this object is oscillator with settings like pitch and with one rebcode function to produce actual value). | |
Geomol 3-Nov-2005 [1161] | Right, and it's not 'nice' to export things to the global context like that. We should have it your way! Write it in "RT Q&A". |
Volker 3-Nov-2005 [1162] | i thought we have some sort if binding in rebcode now. then it would be like rebcode[][ set word 'rcmul bind word ctx setw x word apply x [..] ] but not soure if its really there, and about syntax. |
Geomol 3-Nov-2005 [1163] | oh |
Rebolek 3-Nov-2005 [1164] | Volker, there's no 'bind in system/internal/rebcodes |
Volker 3-Nov-2005 [1165] | Is 1.3.50 current, or is there somthing more new? |
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