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[rebcode] Rebcode discussion
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BrianH 8-Nov-2005 [1216] | I didn't cheat. |
Rebolek 8-Nov-2005 [1217] | I don't know who did, but opinions here were different from the survey |
BrianH 8-Nov-2005 [1218] | The dots were one of my favorite choices. |
Rebolek 8-Nov-2005 [1219] | OK I know it's a dialect, not REBOL, but there is not a single word in REBOL that uses dot. Decimals and tupples use them, but not words. |
BrianH 8-Nov-2005 [1220x2] | You can use dots in words. |
Most don't. | |
Rebolek 8-Nov-2005 [1222] | I can live with dots but I don't like it, looks really un-REBOLish |
BrianH 8-Nov-2005 [1223x3] | Quick to type though, at least compared to - on my keyboard. |
So, why hasn't the syntax signiature of brab changed to match the new behavior? In theory, we can now specify a literal integer at the first position, as that is what the label fixup changes brab to in the special case. The syntax check doesn't allow it though, because it still looks for word! or block! only. | |
; BRAB should be like this brab: ["Branch block table" block! | word! | integer! word!] | |
Rebolek 8-Nov-2005 [1226] | Hm this is not directly related to ".", but now I realize I've got some 1000 lines of rebcode to rewrite :) |
BrianH 8-Nov-2005 [1227] | Search and replace :) |
Rebolek 8-Nov-2005 [1228] | :) |
Pekr 8-Nov-2005 [1229x2] | Brian - it was not about "qick to type" ;-) If so, we should replace path char with dots too ... |
I agree with Kru that once again probably the poll was only informative and the voice of most - ignored ... | |
BrianH 8-Nov-2005 [1231x4] | Well, the dot and dash versions were really arbitrary between them. We couldn't do paths and the no-change and no-seperator choices had significant negatives. |
At least the dot being unlikely in normal rebol code makes these opcodes more useful in rewrite rules, since you will know what to not look for. | |
I suggested the dash, but the dot is just as good to me. | |
And anyway, REBOL syntax is designed to be quick to type. That is why we use - instead of _ and [ ] instead of { } like other languages. | |
Pekr 8-Nov-2005 [1235] | but why not - |
Rebolek 8-Nov-2005 [1236] | As Cyphre said: because dot looks more like assembler ;) |
Pekr 8-Nov-2005 [1237] | never mind, I will probably never write rebcode leve code anyway :-) |
BrianH 8-Nov-2005 [1238x4] | It is a good visual reminder of the different semantic model, this is true... |
Well, I don't write View code. We all have our strengths :) | |
And on that note, where's the Core version of the new build? | |
Testing: The new brab works. The eq.i opcode still works on logic and datatype values as well. | |
Gregg 8-Nov-2005 [1242x2] | For those with a lot of rebcode already, there will probably be a conversion tool to update your scripts available shortly. |
I can live with dots but I don't like it, looks really un-REBOLish -- That's by design. The opcode names are not human friendly either; also by design. The idea being that rebcode is *not* REBOL, and having it look more like ASM makes you more aware of that. There will probably also be a separate style guide for rebcode at some point. | |
Gabriele 9-Nov-2005 [1244x2] | Kru: we have a script that does the conversion automatically. Ask Ladislav. |
(ah, i see Gregg told you already ;) | |
Rebolek 9-Nov-2005 [1246] | Gabriele: thanks but I've already rewrote most of my code yesterday. I don't know your conversion script but I've had different scripts using 1.30.50, .51, .52 and even old 1.4 alphas so does your script cover all different syntaxes or just the latest one? |
Gabriele 9-Nov-2005 [1247] | only mul -> mul.i, muld -> mul.d and so on. i.e. latest. |
Rebolek 9-Nov-2005 [1248] | And rewriting scripts manually was great opportunity to otimize them to (and sometimes by factor of two, so it was for good :)) |
Gabriele 9-Nov-2005 [1249] | :-) |
Rebolek 9-Nov-2005 [1250] | otimize-optimize |
Oldes 9-Nov-2005 [1251] | What's the problem with dot? I was not voting, but must say I like dot. At least it looks differently from variable names, where I use - and _ chars. |
Pekr 10-Nov-2005 [1252x2] | guys, rgba to integer conversion link is dead ... |
should I rambo-it? :-) | |
Rebolek 10-Nov-2005 [1254x2] | this looks like a bug to me: |
>> o1: context [a: 0 rc: rebcode [x][set a x]] >> o1/rc 3 >> ? o1 O1 is an object of value: a integer! 3 rc rebcode! [x] >> o2: make o1 [] >> o2/rc 5 >> ? o2 O2 is an object of value: a integer! 3 rc rebcode! [x] >> ? o1 O1 is an object of value: a integer! 5 rc rebcode! [x] | |
Volker 10-Nov-2005 [1256] | seems rebcodes are not rebound. |
Rebolek 10-Nov-2005 [1257] | should I RAMBO it? |
Volker 10-Nov-2005 [1258x2] | I think yes. needs either docu or fix. |
maybe thats one of the reasons why all branches are relative? to easier copy on make? | |
Rebolek 10-Nov-2005 [1260] | submited |
Gregg 10-Nov-2005 [1261] | Thanks Petr! No need to RAMBO it. I'll look into it. |
Ladislav 18-Nov-2005 [1262x2] | questions we need to get an answer for, especially from BrianH as a supplier of #3947: |
Related to string COMPARE are these features: 1) case sensitive or not 2) which string is "greater" 3) index of non-equal (tail of compare) 4) find | |
BrianH 19-Nov-2005 [1264x2] | Well after testing, it seems that the behavior of cmp is: 1) Case sensitive. Lowercase the strings for case insensitive compares. 2) If the first string is less than the second, cmp sets the return word to -1, equal sets to 0, and greater sets to 1. If two strings of different lengths and are the same for the length of the shorter string, the longer string counts as greater. Otherwise, the numeric equivalent of each corresponding character is compared. 3) You can roll your own with length?, repeatz, pick, lt.i, gt.i and breakt (if you want, I'll do it). The cmp opcode won't help here. 4) Use apply i find [ser val] - it'll be faster. |
Still, I'm glad to see cmp, sign and asr, and the fixes are welcome too. I didn't know that lsr was not unsigned before - that's what lsr means. Good fix! | |
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