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[rebcode] Rebcode discussion
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BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1889] | No need to follow CPU internal execution patterns when you aren't a real CPU. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1890x7] | thats why the lookup table have 4096 entries |
get the correct offset following the content of accumulator before math operation | |
then retrive the corrected BCD result using the byte AFTER the math operation | |
hum not sure about what i said, i have to think ... more | |
the problem with the Half carry flag is that you must compare the data before with the data after | |
you can't just test the 4th bit of the resulting data | |
5th sorry | |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1897] | So, you do BCD arithmetic by using binary arithmetic on BCD values and then using DAA to fudge the data afterwards? |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1898] | i fear it will slow the math operations more than expected |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1899] | You can improve the overall speed elsewhere by combining strings of operations between writes to memory. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1900x2] | it's not me who do that but Z80 :-) |
combining... | |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1902] | No, you can do it. The main reason that you have to branch back to the beginning of your interpreter at every step is because the next step might have been modified by the previous. You can speed that up though, by realizing that the only statements that really need that paranoia are memory writes and branches - other opcodes can by combined in your interpreter, like looking more than one move ahead in chess. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1903] | yes but combining operations need more tests so it will decrease overall performance. i do'nt see how i can do that without consumming more times to compile series of opcodes |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1904x2] | It would require a more complex state machine, but since you wouldn't be starting over with every opcode it would execute less tests and branches per step than not combining. Think of combining opcodes as a kind of loop unrolling. |
It would be not that different from your existing multi-byte opcode process, just for more opcodes. | |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1906x3] | i see |
so in fact it could be performed by a static analyse of the code before ther real execution, and will result in addition of new byte-opcodes. | |
yep | |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1909] | You could even generate more of your interpreter by using more interesting macros, which would cut down on the programmer overhead of the increased number of states in your state machine. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1910x4] | like what ? |
like iterative macros | |
currently i want keep ly source readable | |
but after the debuguing phase, i think i could compact the code with more macros, i agree | |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1914] | Perhaps you could specify your operations in a table and then go through it with a dialect processor like BURG - REBOL is good at that sort of thing. Then you could generate your interpreter from that table. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1915] | BURG ? sort of beer effect ? |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1916] | No, BURG is a tool used to generate backends for compilers from a processor specification dialect. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1917] | :-) |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1918x2] | It's for compilers written in C. I think you could do something like BURG in a few lines of REBOL though :) |
Plus the input data, of course. | |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1920x3] | or you could add a a ReBurg function in the Rebol VM , to do that in my place :-) |
don't knwo Burg dialect | |
*know | |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1923x2] | The dialect you would use probably wouldn't look much like BURG, since you are generating an interpreter. |
Your generator would probably act a lot more like a peephole optimizer. | |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1925] | BTW, why rebcode thread is not on rebol.net ? |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1926] | Few of the groups are. If I had to guess, it would be to avoid the reputation of vaporware. It has been a while since they have done a version of REBOL with rebcode, and it had some significant shortcomings. There may be no reason, though. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1927x3] | BrianH i test some changed with rebcode on my video emulation of the MSX, it seems than some native rebol instructions are more faster with image handling than rebcode |
for example i can copy one image to another one with change instruction but not using rebcode | |
rebcode can only handle byte series | |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1930x2] | Yeah, rebcode just cuts down on interpreter overhead, but since its operations are a bit lower-level they aren't necessarily as fast. For simple operations it can be much faster, but natives are just that, optimized native code. |
Fortunately you can call the natives with the apply opcode and get the best of both worlds. | |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1932x3] | fortunatly :) |
my interpreter will be faster if any math operations could act on char (one byte) | |
and if more flags was handled | |
BrianH 23-Feb-2007 [1935] | That isn't always the case with modern processors - some work faster with integers. I agree on the flags though, in your case. |
Steeve 23-Feb-2007 [1936x3] | could the T flag be set after a locial operation like AND ? |
very usefull to test if a bit is set | |
*after a logical operation | |
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