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[rebcode] Rebcode discussion
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Carl 11-Oct-2005 [71x3] | For example, vectors will let you create an optimal array of integers (unlike blocks). |
Mostly useful for specific algorithms and use in rebcode VM. | |
But, note, not currently functional. | |
Henrik 11-Oct-2005 [74] | link is broken |
Gabriele 11-Oct-2005 [75] | rebcode8.zip (there's a typo above)... but, wait, we found a couple bugs ;) |
Carl 11-Oct-2005 [76] | New REBCODE release: www.rebol.net/builds/031/rebcode9.zip |
Gabriele 11-Oct-2005 [77] | ;you can try: do http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/Misc/julia.r |
Alan 11-Oct-2005 [78] | Carl:for some reason IE can not open/save rebcode9.zip-the page just gives me a blank icon ? But Firefox does work ! :) |
Anton 12-Oct-2005 [79] | Very nice Gabriele :) |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [80x6] | Thanks for the answers to some of my questions! In summary: - The set-word notation for setting variables doesn't seem to work any more, and the reason for the change to the set* opcodes is increased speed. - BRAW is computed goto, but it is yet unclear what the value of the word is supposed to be. I'll test. |
After testing and some guesses I figured out that the rebcode dialect is statement-based, although it can be converted from expression-based by the aforementioned rewrite rules. Also, the | in the declaration of opcode syntax refers to alternate data types, so that: skip: [word! integer! | word!] means that skip takes a word! as its first argument and an integer! or a word! in its second argument. | |
After some digging, it seems that the inner block goto label problem has been solved. I'm not sure where Gabriele's user defined rewrite rules are to be set, but I'm still looking. | |
The syntax check in Gabriele's assembler seems solid at first glance - it seems to be automatically generated from the system/internal/rebcodes object, or both generated from the same source data. | |
There may still be ways to crash the VM using semantic errors (type mismatch and such). Testing... | |
So far, argument words with the wrong type of values assigned to them just seem to cause the opcodes to be skipped without complaint. Certainly better than crashing, but it could lead to the kind of errors that would be difficult to find without extensive unit testing or a type inferencer. Still, I'm pleased. | |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [86] | gabriele, the gradient is a little boring, but still a good demo. :-) |
Cyphre 12-Oct-2005 [87] | do http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/dotflowers.r |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [88] | cyphre: great stuff |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [89x2] | Glad to hear about the vectors! |
Any chance of struct! support in /Core? It would seem that it could be even more useful in rebcode than in library access... | |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [91] | WOW Cyphre o_0 cool stuff |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [92x2] | It seems to me that vectors would be useful to use when implementing Unicode support. |
Nice, Cyphre :) | |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [94] | try adding a blur or other effect to the image in dotflowers. looks really cool :-) |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [95] | only 20% of CPU on my 2.6 ! |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [96x2] | eats 45% here... show eats a lot on my machine for some reason |
I'm wondering a bit if it's possible to do anything more direct than show. simply have a pixel buffer directly to put pixels in without the need for show | |
Cyphre 12-Oct-2005 [98] | thanks guys...I agree Rebol should be able to use 'direct blitting' mode(bypass the compositing engine) |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [99] | benjamin is it a celeron or pentium 4? |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [100] | amd |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [101x2] | cyphre, maybe that's why show is heavy? Show is very resolution dependant, so if I set the screen area to just 800x600, dotflowers becomes about half as fast, no longer smooth. If I go to 1280x960, I get about 5-7 fps. |
screen area = window size, sorry | |
Cyphre 12-Oct-2005 [103] | yes, I have disscussed this with Carl on DevCon05. I hope we find a good solution to finally get faster blitting in View. |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [104] | goodie :-) |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [105] | Fungus function will fly on this baby |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [106x2] | A couple questions: - Are the exit and return opcodes still implemented with setjump/longjump ? - Is there still a plan to enable rebcode procedures to call other rebcode procedures, other functions? Or do we just use the do opcode for that? |
These are questions for later answer, when sensible Americans are awake :) | |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [108] | funny that it still eats 45% if I set the wait to 0.01 instead of 0.001. maybe show is simply waiting for itself to finish before it can redraw? |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [109] | btw - will there be updated documentation for Rebcode? |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [110x2] | Just poking around, and found a hint of things to come. There are more new (not working yet) data types in addition to rebcode! and vector!: percent! and unicode! are there as well. This should be fun! |
Now if only struct! worked... | |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [112] | :-) do you mean struct in Core? It seems to me that RT is now working really fast and working on new nice things ... |
Volker 12-Oct-2005 [113] | cyphre, beautifull. :) |
Anton 12-Oct-2005 [114] | Very nice too !! |
Gabriele 12-Oct-2005 [115x6] | Brian: i think exit and return are implemented internally by wrapping a TRY around rebcode calls. About calling subroutines, that is planned. |
about the rewriting: use the REBCODE-DEFINE function. | |
rebcode-define [ my parse rule #==> production . my other parse rule #==> other production . ] | |
example: context [ slash: to lit-word! first [ / ] res: val: rest: mark1: mark2: op: rv: none value: [set val [decimal! | word! | paren!]] oper: ['+ (op: 'addd) | '- (op: 'subd) | '* (op: 'muld) | slash (op: 'divd)] rebcode-define [ set res set-word! mark1: value some [oper mark2: value] (rest: copy/part mark1 back mark2) #==> (res) (rest) (either paren? val [compose [rv: (to block! val)]] [ ]) (op) (to word! res) (either paren? val ['rv] [val]) . set res set-word! value #==> set (to word! res) (val) . ] ] | |
this allows expressions like: f: rebcode [x y /local res] [ res: x * x + (y * y) sqrt res return res ] | |
note that rewriting can also be used for optimization. | |
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