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[rebcode] Rebcode discussion
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BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [89x2] | Glad to hear about the vectors! |
Any chance of struct! support in /Core? It would seem that it could be even more useful in rebcode than in library access... | |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [91] | WOW Cyphre o_0 cool stuff |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [92x2] | It seems to me that vectors would be useful to use when implementing Unicode support. |
Nice, Cyphre :) | |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [94] | try adding a blur or other effect to the image in dotflowers. looks really cool :-) |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [95] | only 20% of CPU on my 2.6 ! |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [96x2] | eats 45% here... show eats a lot on my machine for some reason |
I'm wondering a bit if it's possible to do anything more direct than show. simply have a pixel buffer directly to put pixels in without the need for show | |
Cyphre 12-Oct-2005 [98] | thanks guys...I agree Rebol should be able to use 'direct blitting' mode(bypass the compositing engine) |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [99] | benjamin is it a celeron or pentium 4? |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [100] | amd |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [101x2] | cyphre, maybe that's why show is heavy? Show is very resolution dependant, so if I set the screen area to just 800x600, dotflowers becomes about half as fast, no longer smooth. If I go to 1280x960, I get about 5-7 fps. |
screen area = window size, sorry | |
Cyphre 12-Oct-2005 [103] | yes, I have disscussed this with Carl on DevCon05. I hope we find a good solution to finally get faster blitting in View. |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [104] | goodie :-) |
Benjamin 12-Oct-2005 [105] | Fungus function will fly on this baby |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [106x2] | A couple questions: - Are the exit and return opcodes still implemented with setjump/longjump ? - Is there still a plan to enable rebcode procedures to call other rebcode procedures, other functions? Or do we just use the do opcode for that? |
These are questions for later answer, when sensible Americans are awake :) | |
Henrik 12-Oct-2005 [108] | funny that it still eats 45% if I set the wait to 0.01 instead of 0.001. maybe show is simply waiting for itself to finish before it can redraw? |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [109] | btw - will there be updated documentation for Rebcode? |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [110x2] | Just poking around, and found a hint of things to come. There are more new (not working yet) data types in addition to rebcode! and vector!: percent! and unicode! are there as well. This should be fun! |
Now if only struct! worked... | |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [112] | :-) do you mean struct in Core? It seems to me that RT is now working really fast and working on new nice things ... |
Volker 12-Oct-2005 [113] | cyphre, beautifull. :) |
Anton 12-Oct-2005 [114] | Very nice too !! |
Gabriele 12-Oct-2005 [115x6] | Brian: i think exit and return are implemented internally by wrapping a TRY around rebcode calls. About calling subroutines, that is planned. |
about the rewriting: use the REBCODE-DEFINE function. | |
rebcode-define [ my parse rule #==> production . my other parse rule #==> other production . ] | |
example: context [ slash: to lit-word! first [ / ] res: val: rest: mark1: mark2: op: rv: none value: [set val [decimal! | word! | paren!]] oper: ['+ (op: 'addd) | '- (op: 'subd) | '* (op: 'muld) | slash (op: 'divd)] rebcode-define [ set res set-word! mark1: value some [oper mark2: value] (rest: copy/part mark1 back mark2) #==> (res) (rest) (either paren? val [compose [rv: (to block! val)]] [ ]) (op) (to word! res) (either paren? val ['rv] [val]) . set res set-word! value #==> set (to word! res) (val) . ] ] | |
this allows expressions like: f: rebcode [x y /local res] [ res: x * x + (y * y) sqrt res return res ] | |
note that rewriting can also be used for optimization. | |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [121] | subroutines planned? For later or 1.0 rebcode release? |
Volker 12-Oct-2005 [122] | I guess for completion they will. But are soubroutines necessary? we can do everything with macros? dont know hw much overhead passing arguments would be. |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [123] | dunno, just asking :-) |
Gabriele 12-Oct-2005 [124] | i think for release. but you should ask Carl. |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [125] | Gabriele - what is the code above? You should not be so cruel to us novices - I've got a headache trying to understand, what above code does :-) |
Gabriele 12-Oct-2005 [126x3] | :-P |
That stuff is not for novices. Use REBOL instead. ;) | |
And if you ever have to use rebcode, make sure you wear protective glasses. ;) | |
Ladislav 12-Oct-2005 [129] | 8-) |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [130x2] | :-)) |
btw - can I "set-word" with rebcode? I mean - what if I 'protect word - does rebcode allow me to change its referenced value? Just curious :-) | |
Gabriele 12-Oct-2005 [132] | dunno, i haven't tested. but i guess it does. |
Ammon 12-Oct-2005 [133] | I just ran Cyphre's Dotflowers at 1600x1200 and it ran pretty good. it ate 75-99% of my CPU but it worked. While it was running though it messed up the OS's window layering somehow. When I click on a window in the background it does become the active window but is not brought to the top of the window stack. |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [134] | I thing that Cyphre is slowing down your PC intentionally for you just to not be blowed-out so imediatelly :-)) |
Ammon 12-Oct-2005 [135] | Uhm. The window layering problem has nothing to do with how much the script was slowing down my computer because I killed the script and windows still isn't layering my windows properly. |
BrianH 12-Oct-2005 [136x2] | Petr, yes I mean struct! in /Core. I keep on having situations that could use struct! when I don't need libraries. For instance, conversions from external binary data encodings to internal REBOL values, say for file formats, network protocols, and so on. Now rebcode has added other forms of strong typing like the type-specific opcodes and the vectors. Having structs, their constrained field types, their specific data layouts, would be a perfect match for the low level operations of rebcode. They would be helpful later when implementing your own data types as well. |
I've wanted struct! support in /Core for years. I even requested it from Feedback, before RAMBO was here. Should I request it from RAMBO as well? | |
Pekr 12-Oct-2005 [138] | Yes please, use RAMBO imo - if you feel it is important, fill it in ... also put your question in RT Q & A group here ... |
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