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[rebcode] Rebcode discussion

BrianH
12-Oct-2005
[89x2]
Glad to hear about the vectors!
Any chance of struct! support in /Core? It would seem that it could 
be even more useful in rebcode than in library access...
Benjamin
12-Oct-2005
[91]
WOW Cyphre o_0 cool stuff
BrianH
12-Oct-2005
[92x2]
It seems to me that vectors would be useful to use when implementing 
Unicode support.
Nice, Cyphre :)
Henrik
12-Oct-2005
[94]
try adding a blur or other effect to the image in dotflowers. looks 
really cool :-)
Benjamin
12-Oct-2005
[95]
only 20% of CPU on my 2.6 !
Henrik
12-Oct-2005
[96x2]
eats 45% here... show eats a lot on my machine for some reason
I'm wondering a bit if it's possible to do anything more direct than 
show. simply have a pixel buffer directly to put pixels in without 
the need for show
Cyphre
12-Oct-2005
[98]
thanks guys...I agree Rebol should be able to use 'direct blitting' 
mode(bypass the compositing engine)
Henrik
12-Oct-2005
[99]
benjamin is it a celeron or pentium 4?
Benjamin
12-Oct-2005
[100]
amd
Henrik
12-Oct-2005
[101x2]
cyphre, maybe that's why show is heavy? Show is very resolution dependant, 
so if I set the screen area to just 800x600, dotflowers becomes about 
half as fast, no longer smooth. If I go to 1280x960, I get about 
5-7 fps.
screen area = window size, sorry
Cyphre
12-Oct-2005
[103]
yes, I have disscussed this with Carl on DevCon05. I hope we find 
a good solution to finally get faster blitting in View.
Henrik
12-Oct-2005
[104]
goodie :-)
Benjamin
12-Oct-2005
[105]
Fungus function will fly on this baby
BrianH
12-Oct-2005
[106x2]
A couple questions:

- Are the exit and return opcodes still implemented with setjump/longjump 
?

- Is there still a plan to enable rebcode procedures to call other 
rebcode procedures, other functions? Or do we just use the do opcode 
for that?
These are questions for later answer, when sensible Americans are 
awake :)
Henrik
12-Oct-2005
[108]
funny that it still eats 45% if I set the wait to 0.01 instead of 
0.001. maybe show is simply waiting for itself to finish before it 
can redraw?
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[109]
btw - will there be updated documentation for Rebcode?
BrianH
12-Oct-2005
[110x2]
Just poking around, and found a hint of things to come. There are 
more new (not working yet) data types in addition to rebcode! and 
vector!: percent! and unicode! are there as well. This should be 
fun!
Now if only struct! worked...
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[112]
:-) do you mean struct in Core? It seems to me that RT is now working 
really fast and working on new nice things ...
Volker
12-Oct-2005
[113]
cyphre, beautifull. :)
Anton
12-Oct-2005
[114]
Very nice too !!
Gabriele
12-Oct-2005
[115x6]
Brian: i think exit and return are implemented internally by wrapping 
a TRY around rebcode calls. About calling subroutines, that is planned.
about the rewriting: use the REBCODE-DEFINE function.
rebcode-define [
	my parse rule #==> production .
	my other parse rule #==> other production .
]
example:

context [
    slash: to lit-word! first [ / ]
    res: val: rest: mark1: mark2: op: rv: none
    value: [set val [decimal! | word! | paren!]]

    oper: ['+ (op: 'addd) | '- (op: 'subd) | '* (op: 'muld) | slash (op: 
    'divd)]
    rebcode-define [

        set res set-word! mark1: value some [oper mark2: value] (rest: copy/part 
        mark1 back mark2) #==>
            (res) (rest)

            (either paren? val [compose [rv: (to block! val)]] [ ])
            (op) (to word! res) (either paren? val ['rv] [val])
            .
        set res set-word! value #==> set (to word! res) (val) .
    ]
]
this allows expressions like:

f: rebcode [x y /local res] [
    res: x * x + (y * y)
    sqrt res
    return res
]
note that rewriting can also be used for optimization.
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[121]
subroutines planned? For later or 1.0 rebcode release?
Volker
12-Oct-2005
[122]
I guess for completion they will. But are soubroutines necessary? 
we can do everything with macros? dont know hw much overhead passing 
arguments would be.
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[123]
dunno, just asking :-)
Gabriele
12-Oct-2005
[124]
i think for release. but you should ask Carl.
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[125]
Gabriele - what is the code above? You should not be so cruel to 
us novices - I've got a headache trying to understand, what above 
code does :-)
Gabriele
12-Oct-2005
[126x3]
:-P
That stuff is not for novices. Use REBOL instead. ;)
And if you ever have to use rebcode, make sure you wear protective 
glasses. ;)
Ladislav
12-Oct-2005
[129]
8-)
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[130x2]
:-))
btw - can I "set-word" with rebcode? I mean - what if I 'protect 
word - does rebcode allow me to change its referenced value? Just 
curious :-)
Gabriele
12-Oct-2005
[132]
dunno, i haven't tested. but i guess it does.
Ammon
12-Oct-2005
[133]
I just ran Cyphre's Dotflowers at 1600x1200 and it ran pretty good. 
 it ate 75-99% of my CPU but it worked.  While it was running though 
it messed up the OS's window layering somehow.  When I click on a 
window in the background it does become the active window but is 
not brought to the top of the window stack.
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[134]
I thing that Cyphre is slowing down your PC intentionally for you 
just to not be blowed-out so imediatelly :-))
Ammon
12-Oct-2005
[135]
Uhm.  The window layering problem has nothing to do with how much 
the script was slowing down my computer because I killed the script 
and windows still isn't layering my windows properly.
BrianH
12-Oct-2005
[136x2]
Petr, yes I mean struct! in /Core. I keep on having situations that 
could use struct! when I don't need libraries. For instance, conversions 
from external binary data encodings to internal REBOL values, say 
for file formats, network protocols, and so on. Now rebcode has added 
other forms of strong typing like the type-specific opcodes and the 
vectors. Having structs, their constrained field types, their specific 
data layouts, would be a perfect match for the low level operations 
of rebcode. They would be helpful later when implementing your own 
data types as well.
I've wanted struct! support in /Core for years. I even requested 
it from Feedback, before RAMBO was here. Should I request it from 
RAMBO as well?
Pekr
12-Oct-2005
[138]
Yes please, use RAMBO imo - if you feel it is important, fill it 
in ... also put your question in RT Q & A group here ...