World: r3wp

For all Yahoo!'s talk about web UI patterns and best practise, I 
still required User Agent Spoofing (through Camitools) to get it 
working...

http://thedailywtf.com/forums/70666/ShowPost.aspx:-)

http://blog.kevinhoyt.org/2007/05/21/file-upload-with-apollo-and-javascript/

Exhibit seems a very interesting light weight JS framework.

Does anyone has a good overview about current Ajax frameworks and 
pros/cons about these?

From what I tried (not much) I prefere jQuery

And using this site you can compare, how much the frameworks use 
the global variables (the less is better I think) http://mankz.com/code/GlobalCheck.htm

Robert - Microsoft.cz guys visited me last month, and we talked about 
some 2 - 3 years future, about SharePoint portal. They told me one 
thing towards AJAX - MS is going to adopt jquery, without any changes. 
But of course, I would not consider it being set-in-stone. So maybe 
a jquery?

Ok, will take a look at it.

Why would they adopt jQuery as opposed to push Silverlight?

I think they'll  use jQuery to instantiate Silverlight controls.

Maybe.

So as to push Silverlight, e.g. http://malsup.com/jquery/ag/

Not everyone can or will install Silverlight, and not every site 
can insist that their customers do so. MS developer tools division 
tries to support whatever their developers want to do on MS development 
platforms like ASP.NET. AJAX needs JS frameworks.

So they adopted JQuery *and* push Silverlight where they can, even 
if that means supporting the Moonlight project like they did for 
the inauguration stream. I think that Silverlight has more potential 
than Flash, but I am not Flash's target market :)

Flash UI libraries are getting pretty good, check this http://www.splashup.com/

I don't think that Silverlight has more potential than Flash. From 
what I've seen, Flash is still much more better. And you have IDEs 
to make graphics for Flash which almost every designer is using now. 
I've dowloaded one MS tool to try to make Silverlight graphic app 
(to test if it would be possible to make a Silverlight version of 
the game we are making in Flash) and I must say, that I have a problems 
to use it. I cannot imagine how not programmers can use it.

I'm with Oldes.  I still think that Flash is far better than Silverlight.

I don't know which is better, or which will win, but both systems 
are not the best or desired final design in my opionion.


We need a completely open/free base that is a webased standard all 
devices can and do support by default.

But early attempts strand so far. Anybody remmeber SMIL? More recently, 
SVG? Or..?

SVG though I think of as ONLY 2D vector stuff.  No?

Why don't we just take PS, and simply move what NeXT did over to 
the web 15 years ago?
Worked well there.

I think that Flash is *currently* better than Silverlight, but Silverlight 
has more *potential* because of the system model and such. It would 
be relatively easy to change the tools around Silverlight and add 
new capabilities to it, but it would be hard to change the entire 
semanitc model and system structure of Flash without breaking all 
Flash code in existence. That is what I mean about more potential.

I was amazed at how well video runs in Silverlight on my Mac. But 
I'd still like to see a separation of video from Flash to get a simpler 
and truly optimized video player.

I'd like to see HTML5 video, and not use Flash or Silverlight for 
video at all.

The ability for either Flash or Silverlight to improve in an open/free 
way, in the areas where they are currently strong - multimedia and 
video - is very limited because of all of the patents on multimedia 
codecs. In other ways, Silverlight has more potentiial right now 
for open/free development because MS actually provides developer 
support to the Mono/Moonlight project.

Of course most people wouldn't let Flash or Silverlight run in their 
browser at all if it wasn't for video sites like YouTube.

with HTML5, would the browser itself provide the video player?

iecanvas.... canvas.... build a UI in the new JS engines on that.... 
let anyone in the game. Dump the schizophrenic CSS + DIV + JS.   
http://ibolmo.com/projects/moocanvas/

Check the demos on that one. 3D cube is nice. And this works cross 
browser...

Now write a VID to that....

With Silverlight is a problem,that maybe it may be used for simple 
GUIs, but not for animations. Here are SWF and XAML versions to compare 
http://theconverted.ca/demo.html

But maybe the XAMLs above are so pure because Silvelight has big 
problems with compatibily between its versions.

what is iecanvas? plain html?

great... another way to eat tons of CPU with "simple" demos. :-)