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Henrik, I know javascript, but the learning curve for it is harsh.. 
A dialect would shave off that curve.

The google issue is a good one, search engines are the reasons that 
previous things like frames and iframes failed. As Neilson often 
states, since the advent of powerfull search engines like google, 
there is no longer a real concept of websites..rather from a web 
user point of view, it is just a search box and a list result web 
 pages with what they want to find

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-futhtml1/?ca=dgr-lnxw01FutureHTML

http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php

A-/Synchronous use of XMLHttpReqest (Pushing data from a server to 
a browser async style.. )
http://wehrlos.strain.at/httpreq/client.html

Actualy I dont understand a bit of the principle and functionality 
of AJAX, is there someone here who can explain me the extra value 
of AJAX? (it looks all like a very old priciple that was put in a 
jacket with strange programming languages..)

You got it Norman.....I went through the same "what the hell is this 
that did not alrewady exist"


AJAX is another way of say "Don't refresh teh page every time, just 
send me the small amount of data I need"

Thats clear Reichart ..thanks.. ;-)

Qtask uses a Rebol version of AJAX (we call it Comet).

And when is the Comet coming?

The best quote I've seen for Ajax is: "now the browser works like 
it should have in the first place"

Yep. And Microsoft accidentally did that. How sad is that?

something about monkeys with billions banging on keyboards ...

We are activily working on Comet, and the framework.  We should see 
the first hints of the framework on Qtask in about 2 weeks is my 
guess.  The lead of the FRamework just finished the full Contact 
Manager which is live on Qtask now.

Our plan is actually to split off a page and start the UI from scratch 
for the Framework.  it will be fun.  We will simply do everything 
one step at a time, and correctly.

now the browser works like it should have in the first place


Now? getElementById has been around since 1998.. IFRAME-based JSRS 
library from 2000, Image/Cookie technique in 2000 and XMLHttpRequest 
since 2002

And java since 1996 or so?

And juice.

Alex Russell has coined a term for a flavour of Ajax that’s been 
getting more attention of late. Comet describes applications where 
the server keeps pushing - or streaming - data to the client, instead 
of having the browser keep polling the server for fresh content. 
Alex identifies several buzzworthy examples:
http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=545

Which one is better?

http://edevil.wordpress.com/2005/11/14/javascript-libraries-roundup/

What about this one? wouldn't be nice to have in rebol?
PAJAX - Remote (a)synchronous PHP objects in JavaScript
http://www.auberger.com/pajax/

Websites are just babysitting databases, so tehy invented RubyOnRails 
to make that easier

. I saw this on the web somewhere, and it is true (both in terms 
of RoR qualities and limitations)

Everything is data.

Slides on Comet http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/wp-content/LowLatencyData.html

I don't see anything on the that page, just a space where a flash 
movie is supposed to be.

http://www.ajaxwrite.com/

it's running only in Firefox!

This is a pretty bizarre program .. I tried loading a word doc from 
my docs, and it loads a completely different one.

It's not AJAX based but XUL based and XUL is Mozilla-specific.

I don't understand why they choose that name

man, cant' people stop inventing synonims.

And it always loads the same document regardless of what I choose.

not ready for prime time yet.

Lotus had a suite of their applications that loaded across the network 
.. looked neat when I went to the demo 10 years ago.

ajax :  the new way of doing everything without changing anything 
in the way we are doing things.

I still don't understand why so many people are so excited with Ajax, 
from my point of view it's just the getXMLHttpRequestObj() function, 
which started to work after many years in more than one browser, 
and which enable us to load something without need to reload all 
the page.

yes

isn't it amazing?

hahaha

yes, it's nice, I use it for example here http://www.literarky.cz/povidkaroku2006.php?p=clanek&id=1451

but do I compare Ajax with Rebol?

it used to be that when you coudn't see you where blind..  in this 
politically correct world you are now visually impaired.

I guess that using javascript is also the same, now you say you are 
an ajax programmer.   ;-)

microsofts ajax with .net (ofcourse..) some info -> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/03/31.html

http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/screenroom/atlas_flv.html

Must say, that I have to leave using AJAX in my sites, where I was 
using it in public pools, because it looks, that for some people 
it's impossible to vote. There is still too many people using old 
crap (W98 with ancient IE browsers) .

I just recently held discussion with my old amiga friend, and I reminded 
him of Rebol 3.0. He seemed really confident, that ajax ends most 
of private, non open sourced technologies ....  and that View with 
ajax has no sense anymore :-)

He suggested me to watch - http://www.techcrunch.comand http://www.netvibes.com
sites for e.g.

I just would like to ask, if there is any perspective for rebol - 
e.g. that we could have core in browser (not view) and do ajax too? 
:-)

I'm pretty sure that /core would run circles around AJAX, during 
the tests I made a couple of years ago

but - what does it mean - core in browser? it is plug-in too, no?