World: r3wp

looking at source- it is like VID, just an xml

maybe nice for the first look, but I don't like it

The page or component you request is no longer available. This is 
normally caused by timeout, or opening too many Web pages. 
Continue cruising ZK Demo .  
Failed to invoke zkBox.init
zkBox is not defined

Cannot imagine making some bigger project in it

it is really slow on my 1.8Athlon, Mozilla 1.8b

so slow, that using it as a rich client environment would denerve 
me after some short period of time :-) Give me plug-in :-)

They need 10 not cached javascripts to display just the two lines 
of error message from above:-)

potix.com states, that they don't use java-script at all? :-)

Hm, from http://zk1.sourceforge.net/release/rn-2.0.0.html- All events 
are processed at the server. No JavaScript required. 
so it must be slow

hmm, that is really "clever"

and what is this:

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/prototype/prototype.js" 
charset="UTF-8"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/effects.js" 
charset="UTF-8"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/dragdrop.js" 
charset="UTF-8"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/boot.js" 
charset="UTF-8"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/lang/mesg.js" 
charset="UTF-8"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/common.js" 
charset="UTF-8"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/au.js" 
charset="UTF-8"></script>

<script type="text/javascript" src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/datelabel.js.dsp" 
charset="UTF-8">

and why they have dynamic images? src="/zkdemo/zkau/web/zul/img/tree/root-open.gif;jsessionid=51580CB61B89633DED498444EB959AED"

>> s: 0 t: now/time/precise foreach js [
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/prototype/prototype.js"
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/effects.js"
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/ext/aculo/dragdrop.js"
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/boot.js"
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/lang/mesg.js"
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/common.js"
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/html/au.js"
[    "/zkdemo/zkau/web/js/zk/datelabel.js.dsp"
[    ][s: s + length? read join http://www.potix.comjs]
== 144313

>> print ["total js size:" s "downloaded in:" now/time/precise - 
t]
total js size: 144313 downloaded in: 0:00:07.406

it's almost the size of rebol/core:-)

and it's only advatntage is access to the DOM.

check this one out... its much better in all regards.  IMHO
http://www.openlaszlo.org/

its the first use of xml I find interesting.  I dare say its at least 
as simple as rebol within its context of creating web pages.

a good demo of how to code in openlaszlo ... http://www.laszlosystems.com/lps/laszlo-in-ten-minutes/

not working - server error 500 http://labs.openlaszlo.org/lzpix-dhtml/

but other examples are working - looks like nice flash apps:-)

we need someone with so nice ui skills :-)

Maxim: I will rather stay with my Rebol/Flash dialect and Rebol or 
PHP on the server side:-) but the true is, that some of the apps 
has nice design.

and hope with Rebol/plugin soon:-))

the flash version of lzpix definitely works.. follow the link from 
the home site...  :-)  its very fluid.

the lazlo in ten minutes... gave me the exact same reaction to when 
I first tried rebol view.  wow, it actually "works".

laszlo must have graphic artist with him. Such apps would be nice 
in View too .... e.g. I liked old capsule look of Oldes?

I will continue on my skined view layouts since at least new R3 alpha 
version will be released. I would like to use same source for making 
View layouts as for my R/Flash dialect in the future. Using graphic 
which is used for skinning windows.

The Flash version will be limited as now I can do much more things 
in Rebol then in Flash

Except fonts - it's a shame, that we cannot use custom embedded fonts 
in Rebol yet:(

does draw support czech chars?

it should support if you have correct regional settings

and correct font

so we can have AA fonts, right?

I prefer pixel fonts (for fonts with size less then 12px)

Toyota developing their own OS
http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/neasia/004276

reinventing the wheel. The article not mentioning QNX and mentioning 
Windows mobile seems a bit uninformed

There is good reason to build something from scratch.  Lets assume 
there are 10,000 terminals for Toyota dealers.


If you are paying Microsoft about $120 for their software, that alone 
is 1.2 million.  


And windows crashes a lot, requires lots of maintenance, and lots 
of overhead to configure, oh, and is filled with security holes.


Building a simple platform that just does a few things can be well 
worth it.

IIRC there was a BMW that was involved in accident locking its passenger, 
later it was discover that the problem was due to a change on the 
controller OS to windows embedder. So I guess now BMW are using something 
else.

F-Script - scripting OS-X - http://www.fscript.org/

I thought next surprise will be OS-X switches to REBOL :-)

F-Script is really nice. Having available for about 3 years now.

What a pitty is not available in other platforms.

jaime, how deep can you go with it? I don't feel too inclined to 
dive into objC programming right now

Well you can do full apps with it.

The most famous one is 'Colloquy' and IRC tool.

The good part is that you don't need to do any memory management. 
But I think you need to be familiar a bit with the Cocoa API, because 
F-Script wraps it into an smalltalk syntax.

Colloquy? wow.... guess I should study F-script :-)

Reichart, the automotive terminals they are talking about in the 
Toyota article will be installed in the dashboard of the cars. That 
means quite a bit more than 10,000 terminals here, and a much smaller 
comparison price.


Pekr, they do mention Windows Automotive OS, which is derived from 
Windows Mobile.

another hidden benifit to having your own OS is your employees can't 
spend the day surfing or playing solaitair if you have not ported 
the programs

Do you play solitaire in your car with the dashboard computer?

more apt to dash a computer playing solitaire with my car