World: r3wp

try the aA button .. it helps a little.

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=18121&hed=The+Big+Blue+Marble

We should talk about that more. But not in this group.

TIBCO to open source their AJAX toolkit. (BSD)

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061002/sfm084.html?.v=63

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061002-7877.html<---- Teens 
think E-mail is for Old People.

I think it's normal, teens are not working, they just need to chat.

I don't know. I use IM, IRC and AltME way more than email. For me, 
email is a rather clunky communications tool. It seems to me that 
for many people, IM requires you to be at the computer all the time, 
which of course it doesn't. I guess it's heritage from the even older 
phone era. :-)

Take a look at this Flapjax stuff. Very interesting, original info 
posted by Jaime in Chat.

henrik, the intent of messaging is short messages, (you can use it 
differently)  mail tends for more structured documents.

also mails are meant to be manipulated stored and retreivable.  just 
like in reality.

writting a letter or an essay is not the same tought process as speaking 
with someone

Mail can be good for ad hoc databases, but in my experience, keeping 
track of a conversation can be a bit of a nightmare if you are not 
careful, changing the subject line or something that will screw the 
thread up. This depends on how good the mail client is at threading. 
There is also a problem with certain mail clients not adhering to 
the Re: standard reply prefix for subjects.

Seeing how different people use mail clients very differently, it's 
hard to keep posts flowing in a readable way, if they continously 
decide that every mail needs a new subject, or the subject line is 
blank. This happens for people who are not accustomed to posting 
on mailing lists, where structure is very important. Unfortunately 
most customers that I deal with, do not use their mail clients efficiently, 
because they are unaware of the weaknesses of email. Email was designed 
in an era where sending text messages across phonelines were considered 
pretty high tech and was mostly used by technical people and only 
in select locations.


Just today I was looking for a mail inside an old thread, a response 
to a question I had asked a customer. I couldn't find it. It turned 
out that the customer apparently had never answered it, but I can't 
be sure whether I had accidentally deleted it or if the mail client 
had stowed it somewhere else. Mail just doesn't cut it anymore. It 
needs to be replaced with something much more rigid and with structure 
forced upon it by the clients. Significant protection from spam should 
be there by design, not by throwing advanced algorithms, money and 
CPU power at the problem.


This is why I like AltME. You have the instant messaging capability 
and I can still write long blurps like this one without loosing structure 
of an ongoing one-line conversations in the same thread (group in 
AltME). It'll end up in the right place. It's going to be very certain 
that you'll be able to read it a few seconds after I hit Send. It's 
logged and searchable, though it will scroll out of view quickly.

my only problem with IM is that if you are not there at the moment 
of the discussion... its often useless to try and figure out all 
the threads.  just like trying to listen to a taped meeting..   but 
you are right that e-mail in itself is not very structured  (which 
is why I like google  :-)  nothing lost, spam is not intrusive.

Max,  GOod point ... I would like AltMe to have a "light weight thread" 
ability.  It needs a way to say which prior item (if any) you are 
dealing with (maybe selecting it before you start typing), a way 
to see that thread only, and a re-sort capability on "When Sent" 
to put it back in journal order.  It would also help if we can sort 
by User so that I can find all of the references by XXXX when someone 
says they are replying to them.  I guess Groups were intended to 
do some of that but there is so much good discussion captured that 
Groups aren't enough.  p.s. I'm sure Reichart thought about AltMe 
threading.

I would like some support for a summary, with an editor, not threads. 
ability to write a summary for a block of messages.

Good idea with a summary for a block of messages. I'm daily concerned 
with the problem of reducing information to only the crucial knowledge. 
Having tons of information, and you know nothing. Having a little 
of the right information is a lot better. Of course all the original 
information should be available.

yes, could even make the summary while chatting about it. first draft, 
some coments, second, final.

And if I search for a message, and it is found outside the current 
display threshold, it should just be displayed! The way it works 
now is just stupid.

Netgear has a Skype phone released

http://netgear.com/Products/CommunicationsVoIP.aspx?for=All

pretty neat...definitely changing the way telcos work

hmm, so after JAVA adding scripting for 6.0, SAP adds scripting too 
:-) https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/4405

A market we should be able influence... Portable applications.

Here's one that may be handy for those looking for a system tray-like 
feature

http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/pstart

Geomol's DPaint clone would be a nice little packaged app.

REBOL would have a big market in embedded hardware for administration 
tools.

It's easy. I made some tools for my Linksys access point, which could 
only read out signal strength about once every 30 seconds with reloading 
the webpage on its internal webserver. By using REBOL and telnet 
access on it, I could get a real time graph for the same thing. It's 
even less stressful and requires less bandwidth for the access point. 
There must be many other things that can be improved like that.

do post it ...

graham, requires a specific model of linksys access point with a 
modified firmware to get telnet access...

oh ...

but you get the point :-)

could make a piece of 100$ hardware worth 250$ with REBOL alone

Jaime has APs etc that run Rebol embedded.

so there is a market for it :-)

if cisco used REBOL  ;-)

then they would use IOS... oh wait, they do. but not that IOS :-)

;-)

Brock, yes not a bad idea! I'm just waiting for a version of REBOL 
(with DRAW), that works the same on major graphical platforms (Win, 
OSX and Linux/UNIX).

Sun to open-source JAVA soon - http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20061025/tc_infoworld/83138

Adobe Apollo  http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo

Java was not open source? I did not know that.

They had their own funky license. Don't know what it is, because 
I never really pay attention to Java. But they've been bragging about 
some sort of "developer community" for about ... 1 year?

They've been bragging for much longer than that, but their license 
was more like shared source, but more restrictive.

Yes, I think it was that any improvements you made to the core were 
owned by Sun. Something like that.

Some things are clearer with hindsight of several years. It is necessary 
to evolve HTML incrementally. The attempt to get the world to switch 
to XML, including quotes around attribute values and slashes in empty 
tags and namespaces all at once didn’t work. The large HTML-generating 
public did not move, largely because the browsers didn’t complain. 
Some large communities did shift and are enjoying the fruits of well-formed 
systems, but not all. It is important to maintain HTML incrementally, 
as well as continuing a transition to well-formed world, and developing 
more power in that world.

The plan is to charter a completely new 
HTML group. Unlike the previous one, this one will be chartered to 
do incremental improvements to HTML, as also in parallel xHTML. It 
will have a different chair and staff contact. It will work on HTML 
and xHTML together. We have strong support for this group, from many 
people we have talked to, including browser makers.

Tim Berners - Lee

This is basically LSL and PHP code that can be used to communicate 
between an object in SecondLife and your web server.
http://rpgstats.com/wiki/index.php?title=ExampleRPC2PHP

that is so verbose

what's new in FF 2.0, standards/technology wise - http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Firefox_2_for_developers

I just briefly looked into JavaScript 1.7 and client side sessions 
...

Google acquired JotSpot

http://www.jot.com/


hmm.. with Calendar, Spreadsheet, etc...they may turn it into a Project 
Management thing.

The flawed word of web standards? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061029-8101.html