World: r3wp

mySQL does limit you license-wise? IIRC it is completly open. Just 
their embedded library is licensed differently IIRC ... but well, 
I am not good at all that licensing stuff myself .... also PostGress 
is reported being really profi and we have good driver for it too 
....

I didn''t have enough experience to get Postgresql driver working.

http://www.ibpp.org/open source C++ client interface to Interbase/Firebird

hmm, just got myself to http://rubyforge.org- there is really many 
community projects ongoin with Ruby ..., just go to project tree 
...

IBM, in that regard, even if they sold their PC business, has much 
more broader aproach ...

Pekr, I will try to answer from a marketing perspective.


Your statement suggest that a company with a broad based approach 
(diversified) in various markets is better than one with a narrow, 
focused approach.


My own study of companies suggest otherwise. I believe General Electric 
is one such case study. Throughout the 80s, they have acquired many 
companies across many industries, today... they have sell off a lot 
of the units that they have acquired.


Same goes with IBM. IBM is divesting their assets in a suitable time 
frame. They still have a 'broader approach' because of legacy baggages 
that they have not discard.


In fact, most companies that leads in their market segment do so 
because they are focused (during that time). SUN was focused on UNIX 
; Apollo did not.

MS was focused on PC; IBM says from mainframe to midrange to workstation 
to home PC....ironically MS is losing focus (do you think MS will 
win in the various new markets?)


It is not whether IBM has a broader approach that matters; it is 
about how fast IBM can reduce the excess baggages that it has acquired 
throughout the years.


SUN, in my opinion, is more focused than IBM now. At least , to me.... 
they own the 'datacenter' mindshare.


Corporates strategies facinates me. 2 of the most (fatal) management 
theories :

- diversifcation; why diversify when your core market is fragmenting...shouldn't 
you focus on one fragments instead? 

- convergence; eg. AOL-Netscape-TimeWarner...why do companies believe 
that different categories of business are coming together and not 
dividing further?


I, too make the mistakes above...and needs to clean up my 'business 
wardrobe'.

diverstity helps you not to sink when you only market (even if you 
are its leader) wanes or vanishes.

SGI was the undisputed leader in gfx and for some time had  very 
compelling and diffrentiated servers.

although VERY bad decisions where made (like selling of their gfx 
R&D and calling that nvidia) had they not diversified somewhat, they 
would be a memory for a while.

Direction of change should not be mix with diversification. (my opinion).

if sillicon gfx had just kept their R&D and *licenced* their technology 
or simply made nvidia themselves as a spin off, they would still 
be "in the game"  right now, just about the only thing worth buying 
is their linux server stuff with very high-end add ons and HW tech.

they did change direction in how they structured the company, trying 
to focus more on what was becomming a more important part of their 
business (servers)

Sun chooses GPL http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6134584.html?tag=nl.e589

Hmm, we all IBM all over the place. The thing is, that SUN has very 
low market if some market share at all in CZ - that says something 
too. I am not saying that diversified aproach is better, but I also 
don't think that diversification may mean non focus.

For me, simply IBM is technology leader, absolutly - please name 
any other company which is. Intel, HP, Sun?

but these things do evolve out of the market.  CEOs want their shares 
to go up, so they do what's trendy... not always what is the best.

Bill Buck having a good time and enjoying blogging :-) Today a bit 
about Amiga, Carl, VisCorp, new ideas etc. - http://bbrv.blogspot.com/

Carl - 10 years ago, back in days when VisCorp planned to resurrect 
the Amiga. Those days, he was writing ABL\E, predecessor of REBOL, 
together with Jim Goodnow IIRC ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[54643129-:-N00]/292689722/

interesting... AltME wants that to be an Email address

hehe :-)

There is a new scripting language in development called F3 from Sun, 
specifically designed for GUI programming. It allows designing Flash-like 
GUIs with ease and can call Java libraries directly. You can launch 
demos and get more information from the related blog. - http://blogs.sun.com/chrisoliver/category/F3

View is starting looking old ...

Now JAVA finally has its VID ...

all I see are blank windows...

strange - mine starts applets .... very nicely done job, really. 
Reminds me of Gatewa catalog demo. .. I want that smooth scrolling 
too ....

even a security requester that pops up is blank

hmm, strange ... dunno what Java version I have installed here ...

RT should not postpone browser plug-in ;-)

seems to work on the mac

but it's quite slow. about a third of the speed of a typical VID 
application

it also takes ages to start up

and look at all that source code!

we could counter some of these demos very easily

I won't do that, but if someone has time to spare, do that and post 
them on message boards which talk about this scripting language.

Pekr, how can the JAVA-based technology compete with rebol dialecting 
? I'll bet that F3 language, if it needs more functionality, allows 
you to mix in JAVA code. Great. Just great. But can it mix it in 
as smoothly as Rebol code in VID ? I doubt it.

What is better?

view layout [at 20x20 image http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/awt/1.3/designspec/images/hips.sm.gif]
or
import f3.ui.canvas.*;
import f3.ui.*;

Canvas {
    content: Group {   
        transform: translate(20, 20)
        content: ImageView {
            transform: []

            image: Image { url: "http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/awt/1.3/designspec/images/hips.sm.gif"
            }
        }
    }
}

the second one? looks very professional with all those curly brackets 
(just kidding ;)

:)

Yes, it makes you wonder which language allows you to get work done 
more quickly. Maybe REBOL could be called "on-demand scripting"?

Well, I just said they have their own VID. In comparison to what 
would be needed to achieve the same using pure JAVA code, I would 
really call it a simplification, which might help some guys ...

You said View is starting to look old, they just use lot of nice 
gfx, that's all.

look old = others are marching in our footsteps - providing simplification 
= kind of dialect to gui creation ...

but they are not marching in our footsteps? where's the dialecting, 
the one-liners, startup times in less than a second? The end result 
might look like something made with DRAW, but it's 10-100 times less 
efficient.

hmm, the thing is - JAVA = corporate world, JAVA = now open-source, 
JAVA = true cross-platform, JAVA = for programmer - safe about getting 
eventual job. I am not here to argue with you about details :-)

I am not switching to JAVA ;-) It is just that by examples of F3 
I can see that now the UI part makes obvious sense to me, even non 
JAVA experienced programmer, not knowing its object model etc.

but is that not already a problem for us? I fail to see how we could 
attract Java programmers, if they are already using a system

I should not mention View in the equation maybe :-)

Henrik - it is vice versa - you always could tell undecided programmer 
- look how awfull code you need to write to just get "this" done. 
And now he/she can tell you - well, we have F3 now, to help us to 
create UIs in a simpler way ...

sorry, my keyboard is going haywire, so the sentence was cut off

If this is true -> http://www.golem.de/0611/49141.htmland http://www.source-center.de/blog/?p=75
then its pritty pritty nice !!! I realy like this...