World: r3wp

but these things do evolve out of the market.  CEOs want their shares 
to go up, so they do what's trendy... not always what is the best.

Bill Buck having a good time and enjoying blogging :-) Today a bit 
about Amiga, Carl, VisCorp, new ideas etc. - http://bbrv.blogspot.com/

Carl - 10 years ago, back in days when VisCorp planned to resurrect 
the Amiga. Those days, he was writing ABL\E, predecessor of REBOL, 
together with Jim Goodnow IIRC ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[54643129-:-N00]/292689722/

interesting... AltME wants that to be an Email address

hehe :-)

There is a new scripting language in development called F3 from Sun, 
specifically designed for GUI programming. It allows designing Flash-like 
GUIs with ease and can call Java libraries directly. You can launch 
demos and get more information from the related blog. - http://blogs.sun.com/chrisoliver/category/F3

View is starting looking old ...

Now JAVA finally has its VID ...

all I see are blank windows...

strange - mine starts applets .... very nicely done job, really. 
Reminds me of Gatewa catalog demo. .. I want that smooth scrolling 
too ....

even a security requester that pops up is blank

hmm, strange ... dunno what Java version I have installed here ...

RT should not postpone browser plug-in ;-)

seems to work on the mac

but it's quite slow. about a third of the speed of a typical VID 
application

it also takes ages to start up

and look at all that source code!

we could counter some of these demos very easily

I won't do that, but if someone has time to spare, do that and post 
them on message boards which talk about this scripting language.

Pekr, how can the JAVA-based technology compete with rebol dialecting 
? I'll bet that F3 language, if it needs more functionality, allows 
you to mix in JAVA code. Great. Just great. But can it mix it in 
as smoothly as Rebol code in VID ? I doubt it.

What is better?

view layout [at 20x20 image http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/awt/1.3/designspec/images/hips.sm.gif]
or
import f3.ui.canvas.*;
import f3.ui.*;

Canvas {
    content: Group {   
        transform: translate(20, 20)
        content: ImageView {
            transform: []

            image: Image { url: "http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/awt/1.3/designspec/images/hips.sm.gif"
            }
        }
    }
}

the second one? looks very professional with all those curly brackets 
(just kidding ;)

:)

Yes, it makes you wonder which language allows you to get work done 
more quickly. Maybe REBOL could be called "on-demand scripting"?

Well, I just said they have their own VID. In comparison to what 
would be needed to achieve the same using pure JAVA code, I would 
really call it a simplification, which might help some guys ...

You said View is starting to look old, they just use lot of nice 
gfx, that's all.

look old = others are marching in our footsteps - providing simplification 
= kind of dialect to gui creation ...

but they are not marching in our footsteps? where's the dialecting, 
the one-liners, startup times in less than a second? The end result 
might look like something made with DRAW, but it's 10-100 times less 
efficient.

hmm, the thing is - JAVA = corporate world, JAVA = now open-source, 
JAVA = true cross-platform, JAVA = for programmer - safe about getting 
eventual job. I am not here to argue with you about details :-)

I am not switching to JAVA ;-) It is just that by examples of F3 
I can see that now the UI part makes obvious sense to me, even non 
JAVA experienced programmer, not knowing its object model etc.

but is that not already a problem for us? I fail to see how we could 
attract Java programmers, if they are already using a system

I should not mention View in the equation maybe :-)

Henrik - it is vice versa - you always could tell undecided programmer 
- look how awfull code you need to write to just get "this" done. 
And now he/she can tell you - well, we have F3 now, to help us to 
create UIs in a simpler way ...

sorry, my keyboard is going haywire, so the sentence was cut off

If this is true -> http://www.golem.de/0611/49141.htmland http://www.source-center.de/blog/?p=75
then its pritty pritty nice !!! I realy like this...

extra links + picture and in English too -> http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=88962&d=18&m=11&y=2006

Just read that SUN is thinking of moving Solaris to GPL....

wow, if you can't beat them.... join them... isn't that what they 
say?

well they have been just giving it away for quite a while now

but allowing the source too?

no that is new

close on the heels of making more of java opensource

Well, Solaris has been open source for a while under their own, incompatible 
license. This will be making it Free.

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/davidvc/archive/2006/12/web_20_without.html

...perhaps somebody more knowledgeable and eloquent about the merits 
of View could submit a comment ton this blog to explain on how Reobl 
is the ideal tool for building Web2.0 clients (including the protection 
offered by the sandbox).

ton -> on

Do you believe that?

Believe that you can build X-internet applications using Rebol/View 
?

Yes but maybe I'm mistaken.