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Hopefully the long link works ....

apple did say somewhere they werent the manufacturers.

that is a really nice toy btw.

LG Prada is another one, maybe even OpenMoko

so, can you make calls on it?

make calls on what?

the samsung phone

Samsung dunno, LG Prada should be out soon - it is being tested by 
various servers already

it's ok. Calling on a phone is apparently unimportant anyway. :-)

I don't understand - it is not a pda, it is a smartphone, so why 
should not be it possible to make calls on it?

it was a joke

ah, joke not in a humour channel :-)

not news, but this is like science fiction made true !!!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_machine

http://wikileaks.org/index

... first phones finally freed ... OpenMoko update: http://lwn.net/Articles/221821/
... http://www.openmoko.com... ;-)

Taken from OSNews - so much for a "great" Apple:


Parallels recently made a definitive statement saying that the company 
won't be making it easy for users to run OS X in a virtual environment 
anytime soon. The reasoning behind this was because they don't want 
to put their users at risk of breaking the OS X EULA - unlike Windows 
Vista, there is no version of OS X that can be run under a virtual 
machine - and more importantly, they don't want to strain their (currently 
good) relationship with Apple. As a followup to that statement from 
Parallels, I was able to also get in touch with Srinivas Krishnamurti, 
VMWare's Director of Product Management and Market Development in 
order to get VMWare's official position on the matter. 

Apple does not currently allow running Mac OS X in a virtual machine," 
he said. "Apple is an important partner and VMware respects Apple's 
intellectual property."

The license restriction in question is one stating that Mac OS can 
only be run on Apple hardware. This restriction has been in their 
licenses for a long time. It should be noted that restrictions like 
this are often illegal for them to enforce in most countries that 
have consumer protection laws, such as all "Western" countries.

Still, they can throw lawyers at you, and even if you are in the 
right, legal fees will likely bankrupt you. Legalized extortion.

In contrast, Windows licensing allows you to run in virtual machines 
as long as you own a license for the OS in the VM. This is even the 
case for Vista Home, despite "reports" to the contrary. With Vista 
Ultimate, you can reuse the license of the host in VMs running in 
the same computer.

This is from the time where the Apple clones were killed, as Apple 
lost a lot of money to them, since they couldn't compete with them. 
Removing the clones and prohibiting use of MacOS on other than Apple 
hardware "solved" that problem.

So, what happens if you want to run Vista as your main OS on an Intel 
based Mac, and to run OSX virtually?

No, that license restriction is in the earliest versions of the MacOS, 
even back in the 68k days. It might have been loosened in the clone 
days temporarily.

graham, that would not make sense?

I'm sure the clone manufacturers lost a lot of money too when Apple 
pulled the plug

Why not?

Graham, that may be within the license restrictions. No commercial 
virtualizer will implement this though.

yes they did, but Apple would have been rammed into the ground, had 
the clones been kept.

So Amiga developers were involved in the clone business eg Dave Haynie

Some

yep, Power Computing

Mac hardware is very nice .. but if your main OS is windows ...

Apple is a hardware company. They see the OS as just an enabling 
technology, whether they can legally call it that or not.

Itunes is hardware?

They removed the "Computer" from Apple ..

What do you miss in Windows that can't be done in Parallels or VMWare?

iTunes is there to sell iPods. That's why they have the DRM.

Graham, do you know how much hardware Apple makes?

BTW, when I said "enabling technology" I didn't mean enabling us, 
I meant enabling them to sell us stuff.

They make servers, music players, wifi hubs, displays, desktop computers 
in 3 different form factors, set top boxes, laptops, remotes, speaker 
systems, and soon they will be making phones as well.

Apple is very much a hardware company.

except they had a legal name change removing the word computer from 
their name

Steve Jobs recently asked the music industry to consider removing 
DRM

yes, because of all these non-computer things they are selling :-)

Well, even though most of the hardware they sell is computers, most 
of it isn't called computers anymore.

I couldn't get Vmware working to install XP.

I should try again.

Yes, Jobs asked the music industry to remove DRM, and yet won't himself 
even when requested to do so by the artists.

It wouldn't recognise my dvd drive or something.  So, maybe i need 
to install from ISO image.

Does anyone find it annoying that if you click and press by mistake, 
this icon menu appears in front of you?

( me = heavy handed )

BrianH, artists? you mean the record companies? I doubt the artists 
have much to say about this.