World: r3wp

Apple is a hardware company. They see the OS as just an enabling 
technology, whether they can legally call it that or not.

Itunes is hardware?

They removed the "Computer" from Apple ..

What do you miss in Windows that can't be done in Parallels or VMWare?

iTunes is there to sell iPods. That's why they have the DRM.

Graham, do you know how much hardware Apple makes?

BTW, when I said "enabling technology" I didn't mean enabling us, 
I meant enabling them to sell us stuff.

They make servers, music players, wifi hubs, displays, desktop computers 
in 3 different form factors, set top boxes, laptops, remotes, speaker 
systems, and soon they will be making phones as well.

Apple is very much a hardware company.

except they had a legal name change removing the word computer from 
their name

Steve Jobs recently asked the music industry to consider removing 
DRM

yes, because of all these non-computer things they are selling :-)

Well, even though most of the hardware they sell is computers, most 
of it isn't called computers anymore.

I couldn't get Vmware working to install XP.

I should try again.

Yes, Jobs asked the music industry to remove DRM, and yet won't himself 
even when requested to do so by the artists.

It wouldn't recognise my dvd drive or something.  So, maybe i need 
to install from ISO image.

Does anyone find it annoying that if you click and press by mistake, 
this icon menu appears in front of you?

( me = heavy handed )

BrianH, artists? you mean the record companies? I doubt the artists 
have much to say about this.

removing DRM would be a big plus for Apple vs MS

graham, what menu, explain?

often without the intention on my part, these icons fly in from outer 
screen and cover my main windown

I have to click on the working application to make them go away

the dashboard?

dunno what it's called.... apart from annoying

if you press F12, does the same happen?

dunno .. at present I'm only using the Mac to watch House MD that 
I've downloaded ...

make sure that no mouse gestures are enabled for dashboard then.

you can do that in system preferences

If an artist or label wants to sell music on iTunes with no DRM, 
Apple won't do it. There are documented cases for this, for which 
I am too lazy to provide a link.

Ok, that sounds like something I should do ...

BrianH, it might be a contractual issue. I'd bet that those contracts 
are rather hairy.

VLC keeps crashing with an error requester if I keep using the remote 
to pause the movie .. to explain to my daughter some esoteric medical 
thing ..!

At least Safari seems stable ... not like Firefox on Windows

VLC under OSX is unfortunately very unstable. it's annoying.

graham, since v1.5 firefox has never crashed for me, when it used 
to crash about 5 times a day beforehand.  v2 seems even better.

better than 0 crashes? :D

hehe... v2 seems to have less "issues" which are not related to crashes... 
refresh bugs and things like that  :-)

although I dont like MS...  this is not a just ruling !
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/23/microsoft_alcatel_patent/

Adobe to take Photoshop online - http://news.com.com/2100-7345_3-6163015.html

http://xdev.org/etoile/<--- Etoilé desktop live CD available

Henrik - what is etoile?

it's a kind of a desktop... it claims to want to change the way one 
works with applications and documents. I haven't figured out how 
this works yet. The reason I'm interested in it is that it's GNUstep 
based.

Javascript port of Markdown -> http://www.attacklab.net/showdown-gui.html

We really need stable Rebol plugin:(

Oldes, I have a commercial app online and its one of the most advanced 
scripts I've ever written.  it does web-service access in the bg 
doing sync of ui with a remote app (much like altme) , in the same 
time it crawls the net, does searching and allows you to download 
actual content when you ask for it... all simultaneously and using 
glayout too...

as many have said before... R2 and current plugin are great tools. 
 why are you keeping from using them?

Maxim  - damned proxy support!

ah

... and we were SO close. Josh had it solved, then he announced Carl 
redirected him to something else, then he was about to post some 
security related doc - that never happened.