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Well, you might be locked into precisely ajax, XML and managing session 
data in a non-persistent way, which is not optimal if you're building 
an application. We already know that, we're REBOLers. :-) He talks 
also about maintaining data persistence across sessions.

it's amazing. it's like he's talking about REBOL. :-)

hmm, maybe I don't properly understand. Does ajax aproach have problem 
with persistency, sessions? Well, I ruined one of our internal apps 
by simply pressing browser back, forward buttons, instead of links 
....

Everybody will talk REBOL in one year, so better get used to it :-)

Bad design, I guess. but you have to remember that AJAX is a huge 
hack on top of a non-persistent protocol. it's by definition harder 
to do these things, than with a clean implementation like REBOL/Services.

imagine a P2P client in AJAX...

Previously posted (and perhaps lost in the flurry) in the I'm New 
group: Google announces its method of making web apps run offline, 
hence a lurch toward the x-internet:
http://gearsblog.blogspot.com/

<<The Gears team believes in the open web and the simple technologies 
it is built on, and we didn't want to change that. So Gears is an 
incremental improvement to the web as it is today. It adds just enough 
to AJAX to make current web applications work offline.>>

I'd say the terms [simple technology / AJAX / incremental improvement] 
are combinable to make several new oxymorons.

I think simple means what a community knows. AJAX etc, once learned, 
is "simple". Change to much and you loose a lot of people. Maybe 
"simple" should be replaced with - thought "beruhigend" - humm, http://www.dict.cc/?s=beruhigend, 
i guess i pick "reassuring", but "sedative" fits well from another 
angle^^

Sunanda, what is your take on that.  Seems pretty significant development.

or anyone else

Making the *browser* the application platform is a nice idea.
But a browser is under-resourced, not designed for that role.

And (like desktop operating systems) there are multiple versions: 
IE, FF, Opera, Safari etc.
That is all problematical.

Millions are being thrown at the problem. But not much evidence that 
it is feasible.

For an alternative approach (which may be just as problematical in 
other ways), look at the Gnome Online Desktop project:
http://log.ometer.com/2007-04.html#3

But its much easier to get all people on board. English is not the 
best language to, except that its so much used.

And its free. Else look no further than ios (add fantasies about 
improvements if the browser/os markets had spend their money there 
;)

rebol really is a browser in the same sense of why people use web 
browsers.  in fact rebol is a rebol language browser, and IE is an 
html browser.  both intepret a set of specifications.  Rebol has 
all the same limitations of a browser, it implements only a subset 
of what can be done by an OS by default.    but the only real advantage 
REBOL has over "the web" (not to mix up with "internet") is that 
all parts of the development are in the same language, from  layout, 
stylesheet, interactivity, DB, all of this is coded using one single 
language.

this is REBO's simplicity, the language in itself, can be argued 
to be simple or not... many will find the lack of syntad makes REBOL 
complex.

but the fact that its an Abstraction layer which deals with all parts 
of interfacing an abstract thing like a computer to a human is why 
its so compelling... you can forget about sooooo much things and 
just concentrate on DOing stuff.

Not rebol, ios. Offline, quick distribution, a desktop for files 
and programms.

Thats where the others try to morph the browser.

volker, rebol is a platform, just like the browsers.

IOS is an application.

a browser has no "desktop"

rebol is the javascript of that thing. ios is the browser. browsers 
have http, cache and such.

it just loads html and runs it...  providing a gui space, an execution 
space ... all is defined within the html source.  just like a rebol 
app.

Mine has. back, forward, bookmarks

pasting an url. navigation and open things. thats desktop

You need that to deal with multiple "installations"/vendors of a 
webpage/script

no, a desktop is a virtualisation of a desk litterally.  there are 
html desktops too ("EYE OS")

replace the word desktop

rebol supplies its own DOM (view)

view even has its own desktop, just like ios...

something to find files and programms, which lookes the same for 
everyone.

ios actually provides something web browsers don't have by default.

view has read-thru, thats the more important part.

yes, they dont. but they want to get it.

well, I am thinking about it and even rebol/view has the offline 
capabilities which browser apps don't really have yet.

It adds just enough to AJAX to make current web applications work 
offline.
 thats what Sunanda startet with.

yes everyone is trying to get to it.

strange that we have been doing it for 5-6 years now.

Evrything with "online desktop" (to me focus on collaboration) is 
so outdated now.. ;)

So when someone suggests a better solution than incremental browser-improvements, 
i know one. I know both. The best incremental stuff, which gets attention, 
and the way it should work. Links to "rebuilds it radically better" 
are usually nothing new.

Except of shared editors like writely. But ios would do that now.

except IOS has bismal applications... sorry to say it so bluntly 
and it being not free, it never got the spin it would have had otherwise.

my thoughts also, Rebol has been doing it for 5 or 6 years already, 
and IOS is an example of how it might have been but didn't go far 
enough.

Now the market is catching up, so the advocacy issue has become harder

the 3000 lb gorilla has entered the room.

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Sony's Flexible OLED http://youtube.com/watch?v=htn3_xQqo8s&mode=related&search=

Yahoo! Pipes. (Feed aggregator and manipulator).....
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