World: r3wp

The end of REBOL?

No, it sounds like we still have an opening. Those tools sound really 
complicated, overly so. Little cross-platform support too.

too -> either

That M language is like a lot of languages coming from the MS camp 
lately - they only have meaning if you are a MS shop. They even say 
that the compiler for this language would be cross platform, but 
that since it only describes stuff that MS platform software does, 
the results would have no meaning without that MS software. I guess 
they aren't ever going to go after the Mono project now - they have 
figured out how to compete in a multi-platform world, so they don't 
have to squash the competition anymore.

Strangely enough, it is not that dissimilar from REBOL's strategy.

yes, their tools are complex. I wish we would be faster in delivering 
though. We are still milles away from anything R3 usable ....

Let's switch groups.

OpenOffice 3.0 released ...

Been using OpenOffice on the EEE-PC, it is pretty cool...

Wasn't it a bit sluggish?

One Czech IT news server reports, that whole Wikipedia is moving 
to Ubuntu LTS Linux servers. They used various Red Hats, Fedoras, 
etc., so they are unifying it ...

We are talking 400 servers here ...

they're gonna wear out that poor Ubuntu installation CD :-)

OO3 is very cool. Trying to get rid of Word and XLS.

Is that really a big change? Using 2.4 here. I thought it is mostly 
incremental change. Pity they did not remove JAVA from it - it is 
reported still being kind of sluggish ...

btw - did not post http://www.openoffice.orglink here, as it seems 
being down ...

I guess they could use 400 Ubuntu servers too...

Petr, you can't remove Java from OpenOffice without rewriting Base 
from scratch (a good idea, but still). It is not Java that makes 
OpenOffice sluggish, it is the huge amount of C++ code. It's just 
too large.

Algorithmic changes could help in theory, but modern office apps 
just do a lot of work, and it takes them time to do so.

I felt OO2 was too bloated...A little SLow.

Reichart, the EEE is great, isn't it? My wife teaches, and she uses 
it for short presentations and writing reports during the breaks. 
I think it saves her an hour a day - she wouldn't have used a laptop 
any bigger (and this one is pink...lol). I always joke she is the 
most Linux-savvy user in the house!

Wasn't it a bit sluggish?
 Yes, but it is a tinny computer for $300 (the price of a PDA).


It works well enough for travel.  My wife is the one using it, but 
I played with it  a bit.


I live on a laptop that is a bit larger (not much though) The Fujitsu 
P8020, and is Almost 10x the price.

Microsoft releases Silverlight 2, so it is here, no more a beta ....

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/081013/aqm522b.html?.v=1

... now my question is - where is my R3, and where are our planned 
View kernel advancements? Cyphre did not touch View kernel for more 
than one year  ....

We launched Silverlight just over a year ago, and already one in 
four consumers worldwide has access to a computer with Silverlight 
already installed,
 - that is how fast competition is .....

Is Silverlight really our competition?

I thought we aimed higher than that.

To actually aim higher, we should have at least something in our 
hands. And we will not have anything useable for at least one another 
year ....

Carl should restate the strategy. Divide project to 3.0, 3.1 and 
3.2 goals! I would postpone tasks, modules, components for 3.1, and 
release 3.0 with new VID for immediate use with most apparent bugs 
being fixed ...

No, I wouldn't do anything like that. The REBOL browser is a whole 
different beast compared to something like Silverlight. I still disagree 
that there is a rush to get a product on the street. REBOL will find 
its niche.

Henrik - they use even better strategy. They don't try to introduce 
new mythical-save-the-world browser - they use existing ones to spread 
their platform. That is why, for me, REBOL browser plug-in is still 
very important product.

Sure it's important, but fortunately REBOL is not as limited as Silverlight, 
so we don't have to rely on the success on a browser plugin. There 
are many other venues to pursue.

Flash 10 new release now uses GPU for gfx CPU intensive tasks ...

Microsoft talks Oslo's new M language, for creating DSLs - http://www.cio.com/article/457530/Exploring_Oslo_s_Modeling_Language_Promises

Today, M will be made available under the open specification promise, 
which allows anyone to implement the language spec. 

As much as we're proud of the intellectual property we've put into 
it," says Kawasaki, "It's what you do with the language that matters.""

I don't know the timezone issues  I found out at 10pm EDT (and don't 
really care ... but hey, seems like news) ... CodeWeavers is offering 
free Crossover downloads all day Tuesday October 28th.

Key free downloads.   The site is probably swamped.

Oops.  http://down.codeweavers.com/

Interesting how far some project can go - http://www.openpandora.org/
- they sold first batch in few hours :-)

That's very nice. Never heard about it... moves to the top-5 gadget 
wish list.

IIRC Geomol mentioned in the past, but I forgot about it ... looks 
really nice ...

OSNews reports, that Apple rejected Opera mini on the iPhone ....

Exclusive: First Look at Blue Spruce, IBM's Next Generation Browser 
Platform


Why is IBM Heading to the Browser?
We asked IBM VP of Emerging Internet 
Technologies Rod Smith why IBM is moving to browser-based applications. 
He replied that customers have been consistently telling them for 
1-1.5 years now that they don't want to do installs anymore. Their 
customers want the rich experience that desktop apps have traditionally 
provided, but they want to have it in the browser


http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/ibm_blue_spruce_first_look.php

Interesting ....

http://mail.google.com/videochat

Google Chat now supports video chat.

Adobe ports Flash 10 to ARM platform hence it will run on most mobile 
devices.

Does it means it's working or that they just started to port it?

What's the biggest resolution on mobile devices?

Oldes - it means they will get it soon enough, not like with REBOL 
:-)

No problem, I don't have any mobile>:-)

I have Asus EEE901 at work for prototyping, and it is normal x86, 
so everything runs on it. I would not want to use smaller device, 
I need full keyboard :-)