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People should just follow the Grateful Dead.  Open Music (post Record 
Company Era) has been flourishing amongst the hippies for 40 years 
now.   ;)

There already is open music.  And glad to see that Youtube is addressing 
McCain's criticism's FINALLY.

Again the music industry finds another way to keep lawyers employed. 
:-) It just means bands and labels who give permission are the tracks 
we will here & buy. So the restrictive ones miss out on being widely 
promoted. Similar thing happened here when music industry tried to 
get paid to play their promo-videos on tv

Their is so much other music from great artist that people can download 
for free.  I don't know why people are fussing about certain artists 
getting their money.  They contracted with record companies who are 
going to get most of the money but they will definately also reap 
more money as a result of this.  Let them have their due.  Breaking 
the law is breaking the law.

If the artist got their money I'd be happy, the issue for me is most 
of it is going up the noses of the lawyers and pr people. At least 
itunes & emusic make it easy for independant bands to get distribution 
and money now.

P: finally?  Seems like a repudiation?

Sounds like they are getting with the program to me.

I once saw an interview with Allannah Myles.  When her album Allanna 
Myles hit number 1 and Black Velvet was on every radio, she was worried 
she couldn't pay rent.  She still owed 1.5 million on her "contract" 
and the label had already pocketed 5 million.   We should always 
let sharks eat young keen artists.  It's a fantastic system.  Like 
the lottery.  Sure, someone gets a million dollars every week.  A

hmm, altme is tweaking my ^S setting ... sorry.


And society spends far more for the privilege.  We should continue 
to support these systems whole heartedly.  It's always great to give 
legal backing to the few that take advantage of the naive.  Beautiful 
system, that should never be questioned, only revered and backed 
up with gun power and threats of jail.

Artists will almost always choose to receive the free promotion. 
 It's the publishers and labels who don

't want to see it..

Sounds like Myles didn't have a lawyer and just blindly signed a 
contract.

And that's not just the little guys who are trying to make it.  I 
have several close friends who've sold tens of millions of albums 
who feel the same way without reservation.

I don't get it?  What is the problem?  Artist can give away their 
music if they want to.  Why should they care of others don't want 
to?

Having more people hear the music for free typically leads to more 
album sales.

One of the best selling albums of the past few years was one that 
was given away freely.

NickA, you need to tell the Record Labels this then for obviously 
they didn't know this and didn't do any research.  You sound like 
you got it all figured out.

I'm in the industry, and have been for 22 years.  The reason the 
record companies don

't want to see the industry going the way it's going is because it 
cuts out the need for their services all together.

I wonder why Metallica doesn't get it then?

Why do these musicians get awards at shows and thank their label?

Why do they use a label?

Anyone can produce a great sounding album on their home computer 
now.  And if they can get famous without the record company support, 
they don

't need the label.

Well many have become successful because of the backing of a label.

This doesn't make sense Nick.

Most who are big stars now, and up till now.

but that's changing dramatically

How do they get success from a label if your telling me that they 
sell more if they give away freely?

The record company's industry has been torn apart, and anyone who 
has a vested interest in their business does not want to see this 
happen.

Record companies used to make a huge return on their investments 
be making stars

They used to spend hundreds of thousands on making albums, and then 
millions on promoting and making a new star famous.

Quite frankly I think people are just whiners and complainers and 
against the establishment.

but they made it back many fold

Like the pipedream that linux will ever be more than Windows.

We're chatting in a News channel; this should move

No , it's not whining, and it's nothing like that industry

ok, in chat...

That is actually ok.  I didn't intend to get into a real discusson 
on this issue and I have resigned myself from the politics channels.

ok, but if you're curious at any point, I can shed lots of light 
on this :)

thanks Nick.

A new company, created by a french reboler uses Rebol to develop 
its products.

http://www.grey-soft.com/

(if i'm not wrong, it's FJouen here in Altme)

I do not see a mention of renol on the website. And the products 
do not seem like something for which rebol would be used.

They have a REBOL logo on their About Us page. I think they would 
use REBOL for the client software that talks to their embedded devices. 
They do kiosks too.

Actually it is, FJouen clamed it himself, and he has showed  us on 
the french BBS some work related to app clients dealing with external 
sensors.

that's right Brian

http://ftp.uni-kl.de/25C3/video_h264_720x576/25c3-2863-en-climate_change_-_state_of_the_science.mp4

SAP pays Sun to continue to support Java 1.4.2 because the Netweaver 
product needs it.


That's crazy!! Companies spend millions using a technology platform 
that has such a high change/update rate, that it's impossible to 
catch-up with the own products.

This shows the long Rebol release cycles in a complete new light...