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Well many have become successful because of the backing of a label.

This doesn't make sense Nick.

Most who are big stars now, and up till now.

but that's changing dramatically

How do they get success from a label if your telling me that they 
sell more if they give away freely?

The record company's industry has been torn apart, and anyone who 
has a vested interest in their business does not want to see this 
happen.

Record companies used to make a huge return on their investments 
be making stars

They used to spend hundreds of thousands on making albums, and then 
millions on promoting and making a new star famous.

Quite frankly I think people are just whiners and complainers and 
against the establishment.

but they made it back many fold

Like the pipedream that linux will ever be more than Windows.

We're chatting in a News channel; this should move

No , it's not whining, and it's nothing like that industry

ok, in chat...

That is actually ok.  I didn't intend to get into a real discusson 
on this issue and I have resigned myself from the politics channels.

ok, but if you're curious at any point, I can shed lots of light 
on this :)

thanks Nick.

A new company, created by a french reboler uses Rebol to develop 
its products.

http://www.grey-soft.com/

(if i'm not wrong, it's FJouen here in Altme)

I do not see a mention of renol on the website. And the products 
do not seem like something for which rebol would be used.

They have a REBOL logo on their About Us page. I think they would 
use REBOL for the client software that talks to their embedded devices. 
They do kiosks too.

Actually it is, FJouen clamed it himself, and he has showed  us on 
the french BBS some work related to app clients dealing with external 
sensors.

that's right Brian

http://ftp.uni-kl.de/25C3/video_h264_720x576/25c3-2863-en-climate_change_-_state_of_the_science.mp4

SAP pays Sun to continue to support Java 1.4.2 because the Netweaver 
product needs it.


That's crazy!! Companies spend millions using a technology platform 
that has such a high change/update rate, that it's impossible to 
catch-up with the own products.

This shows the long Rebol release cycles in a complete new light...

Robert, and it will be entertaining. Lean back and grab some popcorn 
(condolences to those that are stuck in it). :-)

Former National Security Agency analyst Russell Tice, who helped 
expose the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping in December 2005, has now 
come forward with even more startling allegations. Tice told MSNBC’s 
Keith Olbermann on Wednesday that the programs that spied on Americans 
were not only much broader than previously acknowledged but specifically 
targeted journalists.
…

The National Security Agency had access to all Americans’ communications 
— faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications,” Tice claimed. 
“It didn’t matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the 
country, and you never made foreign communications at all. They monitored 
all communications.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whistleblower_Bushs_NSA_targeted_reporters_0121.html

That include AltME??

7A43857B034C750D8971E234F098712019A8273C48C197B234DE

There was a stink recently here when it was discovered the police 
had placed someone inside greenpeace! I don't think we're quite ready 
to monitor all communications.

(Under)mining Privacy in Social Networks http://w2spconf.com/2008/papers/s3p2.pdf

Apple scam continues - granted patent for multitouch (now Tom Cruise 
should sue them). So - another prove that Apple pricks are worse 
than MS and not worth buying single product from -


 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=multi-touch&s2=multitouch&OS=multi-touch+AND+multitouch&RS=multi-touch+AND+multitouch

Not exactly.   This is not quite as bad as it looks at first.  It 
is not for multitouch, it is for a specific gesture.  This patent 
will not hold up, but it was easy to file.

It is also a broad claim specefically about how to scale with two 
or more fingers (not how to do general stuff with two or more fingers).

For example, this patent would not stop you from:

- Making a multitouch piano (you could play chords)
- Using two fingers to press and zoom.
- Using all your fingers to to make the page move around

etc.

If you hate one patent, you have to hate all patents.

The patent I still want to see expire is text caret/mouse cursor 
proximity.  Hide the mouse cursor when the text caret is close and 
save people from a little RSI and increase some keyboarding productivity. 
 Why Apple gets to claim that and a judge hasn't struck it down for 
health reasons is beyond me.  It's not like it isn't non-obvious 
either.  SNARL GNASH BARK AT MOON.   ;)

It is not that a Judge as not struck it down (unless you know of 
a case), but it might be that no one wants to fight with Apple, even 
if they think they are going to win.  A patent is the right to fight, 
not the right to win.

Reichart - you know, when Jobs returned to Apple, I thought that 
cool things are going to happen. And those things happened and Apple 
is real inovator. But then the company is starting to do "strange" 
things. I know they are trying to defend their know-how, their business. 
But some actions should be weighted. E.g. their limitation of OS-X 
apps on iPhone, now this patent. More and more developers are upset. 
And I think that they might loose more than actually gain. E.g. this 
one patent issue, when you read osnews.com comments, those comments 
are very negative for Apple.

Besides that, I am not sure they were really first? Is it called 
a "prior act" or something like that? Look e.g. at www.perceptivepixel.com 
- it was here before iphone ...

I'm a little confused by your view of this, Apple has been filing 
about 1 patent every week since they started!
And, developers are not who thier market is.
You are looking for "Prior art", and you will need to prove that.

So are you saying, that only target group is consumers? I thought 
that you also need satisfied group of developers. It will be interesting 
to see, how it clashes with www.gesturetek.com for example ...

why are you bashing apple? you can get great hardware from them, 
os is free you can install anything opensource on it, on the iphone 
any apple developer working for apple on the iphone has it jailbroken, 
they could stop cydia et all today, they don't.. there is this feeling 
lately that they are getting the new M$, my thought is they are just 
trying to protect their business from big dogs doing 0 innovations. 
Tell me one thing, what would be  a world without apple? everybody 
will be using winoze 95.5.123 ...

Will - and you are typical fan boy, sorry.

at least, on my mac I can work, all my friends on m$ spend their 
time updating this and that, disussic about the best antivirus, antispyware, 
anti.. anti-getting work done!

I'm big fan of Steve Jobs, yes!

Please get your facts traight. Apple = mainly USA. Before iPhone, 
there was 0.x% penetration of Apple computers here in CZ. I was very 
long in amiga community, to know what is healthy community factor, 
what is zealotry, and what is plain fanatism. When I can see ppl 
going crazy about one-company-boss keynote, applauding things like 
adding icon here or there (because not everytime there is some real 
news worth of such event), sane person has to say him/herself - WTF? 
:-)

see what Gil Amelio & co ahve done in 2 years without Steve?

I am not downplaying what Apple did. They are maybe the only real 
innovator in last few years ... starting with ipods, continuing with 
other "i"s .... But - that does not mean I don't follow company policy. 
Corporate scene sucks sometimes, but I always openly say, what I 
don't like. Guys at Microsoft CZ know it, but - we are both sides 
open - some things can't be changed easily, some things can be changed. 
And some Apple's actions don't read well on some developer's books.

people are not applauding a new great icon put here or there, they 
are applouding a man who did contribute to bringing computer world 
forward.. now I 'm a big fan of Obama too, soon he will sign the 
Kyoto protocol and this will bring a better world to all of us

Stating that without Apple we would be in Win9x era is a bit - wrong 
imo :-)