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Opera unite. I posted it here but it became one of the lost posts

http://etoileos.com/downloads/


Etoilé now has a VirtualBox image, for those who want to play around 
with it quickly.

Is etoile an operating system?

A desktop environment on Linux

The first one based wholly on GNUStep, AFAIK.

There have been other attempts, but they didn't get very far

I downloaded it ... and it was zipped :)  Is it worthwhile installing??

I think it's very early in development, so it's only if you are curious 
what it's about.

Drat!

So, I need to learn objective C to take advantage of this ...

That's one of the big points of Etoile. And GNUstep in general.

Is there a way to leverage REBOL here?

Nope.

(but I've often considered building an Etoile or Squeak-like desktop 
in REBOL)

So, no way for rebol to use the Gnustep libraries to create a GUI 
?

What is GNU step, in one sentence, without pointing me to Google? 
:-)

GNUstep is an open source implementation of the OPENSTEP specification.

I would better look into upcoming versions of BSD, which are going 
to be GPL free :-)

Huh?  BSD is BSD licensed surely?

Graham, well, you could probably build the GUI files using REBOL, 
but that loses another point of GNUstep. It has a pretty powerful 
GUI builder that leverages late bindings in Objective C to build 
most of the functionality of the GUI without writing code.

but I think there are Smalltallk bindings available.

Graham - BSD is not fully BSD ... it is compiled on GCC, which is 
GPL, no? I have heard they are reaching the state of purity now, 
so no GPL poison anymore ...

I didn't think that program compiled by GCC affected their licensing 
.. unless they're including GCC in their distros

AFAIK, they are moving to LLVM.

LLVM doesn't have complete C/C++ language frontends except for GCC's.

So far BSD's attempts to get rid of GCC have been more announcement 
than actual. They also announced (separately) that they were going 
to create a BSD'ed C compiler that wasn't LLVM (something starting 
with a p). Don't hold your breath.

That was OpenBSD

Sorry, I am aware that there are differences between the BSDs, but 
I still lump them together when comparisons to GPL are involved.

HTC introduces new Android phone, adding TouchFlo 3D like (WinMobile) 
add-on, called Sense. It is even better, because it contains real 
widgets:


http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/htc-hero-details-begin-leaking-from-htcs-own-website

It's nice to see the kings of put-something-decent-on-top-of-Windows-Mobile 
doing something with Android :)

yes, because UI wise Androind is just the same crap as WinMobile 
:-)

btw - Flash coming to most of mobile devices in November this year 
...

Firefox 3.5 released, complete with cute HTML 5 welcome video.

I read lately how firefox is not handling the html 5 video proberly... 
you need javascript... :-(

hmm... for some reason, youtube videos eat a lot less CPU than they 
did before.

Maxim - IIRC I read something like Mozilla introducing JS free video 
support ...

Their you've-updated page uses JS for fallback support, but Firefox 
itself doesn't use the fallback (personally confirmed).

that's cool  :-)

now if only IE8 would have put SVG within the browser ... like firefox.

we'd have a perfect world  ;-)

No, IE8 would also need HTML5 video too, with full DirectVideo support 
preferably :)

No perfect world would have Flash video sites exist.

PHP 5.3.0 released - "Some of the key new features include: namespaces, 
late static binding, closures, optional garbage collection for cyclic 
references, new extensions (like ext/phar, ext/intl and ext/fileinfo), 
over 140 bug fixes and much more."

http://php.net/releases/5_3_0.php

Hmm, they have added namespaces, but I am probably too dumb to understand 
their chaotic syntax :-) http://cz.php.net/manual/en/language.namespaces.rationale.php

It looks that PHP is more and more bloated. At least for most cases 
I used PHP I just needed a few conditions, includes and connection 
to database with a little bit image and email support. I really don't 
know why I should do "Personal Home Page" with closures, namespaces, 
etc..

You have to be aware that also many huge systems are written in Personal 
Home Page :) I agree about the bloat, there are many features I don't 
think it needs, I definately like that it got closures/anonymous 
functions.

They added a goto too -- not always a bad idea, but open to all sorts 
of abuse by poor coders:
http://www.php.net/goto

a double goto ??

just one quick glance at the list of functions for arrays, and I 
just want to run screaming back to REBOL :-)

:-)