World: r3wp

I think that plugin is going to be needed. NPAPI, npruntime. The 
other way around would be an Extension, webkit rendering into REBOL 
face (gob) :-)

i guess that would be another job for the communtiy to get the plug-in 
on all browsers and platforms

Pekr, you do realize that Google's Native Client is a browser extension, 
right? And it's for use within HTML, which will usually be served 
up from a server? And that it won't run outside of a browser? Google 
has been advocating the rich client for years, but the rich client 
that it has been advocating is the web browser. This is just them 
acknowledging that Javascript sucks for some purposes - they still 
want you to use the rest of the web stuff.

For a more direct avocation of the REBOL approach, look at Silverlight 
or Adobe AIR.

avocation -> advocation

Alan, we need to work more on REBOL's security model first: R3 has 
made a good start in that direction, but there is more to go.

I think that npapi plugin is the fastest way to get into the browser. 
But even then - Google and Apple are creating propaganda, that actually 
"installing" anything into the browser (plugin) is a bad thing :-)

Yes, security :-)

ok, going to watch a hockey championship ....

Google adds JIT to Android 2.2 - http://www.osnews.com/comments/23310

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Ta-wAdvh8


Good way of misunderstanding the needs for motion sensing in phones.

I don't see how improved motion tracking is a bad thing, Henrik - 
yeah, some of the uses mentioned are marginal, but I can see that 
overall, the increased tracking accuracy would be really useful

you can tap anywhere... even on the platic... I found that cool.

imagine playing "air drums" with this

well, maybe with two phones

I would think that you could train it to recognize your gait, so 
that if someone else walks away with your phone it could call home, 
shut down, wipe sensitive data, etc

yeah... cool, until you break your leg and can't call 911   ;-)

Well, I think that what Henrik means is, that he doubts practical 
usability in regards to your cell phone :-) Shaking my HTC TouchPro 
2 with costed me lots of money and weigths 200g, might turn into 
risky business :-)))

any extreme action triggered by motion could be confirmed by having 
to input a password within a certain amount of time

I really like some of the gestures, like holding your phone upside 
down and it closes the curent ap, tilting it to slide the view, etc.

one of the points of this processor is that you don't have to be 
very jerky in performing the motion

yep since itas a gyroscope, the orientation is perfect and accessible 
in real time, much better than an accelerometer.

my "ultimate" wish is to have the touch sensitive areas on the device 
extended to the body - everything should be touch and pressure sensitive

then you could use a combination of motion, pressure, touch points, 
camera input, mic input to invoke all kinds of complex actions with 
combination "hotkeys"

I miss one VERY practical usability. Imagine you have met some accident 
situation, and you call emergency. Now most smart phones have A-GPS 
chip. I would like to just press one button, to send my GPS location 
- so no starting of GPS related app, writing it down, and telling 
it to 911 ....

we're pretty good at motion and position memory

I think I've already seen this kind of app, Petr

or heard of one

that can probably be done with the current accelerometers

this should be built-in in all phones. Imagine giving someone an 
assistance, holding your phone, and now operator asks - where exactly 
are you? I want just one button press, and the info would be sent 
to predefined email, sms, or voice read to the phone operator ...

I'd like the back plate (casing) to be like apple's mighty mouse 
so you can squeeze the phone and its a different effect than just 
touching the  screen.

you just trigger of a constant motion followed by a great increase 
in acceleration

yeah, squeezing, even a slight twisting motion should be usable for 
controlling things

yes ... well, now I want to program that app using REBOL :-) So hopefully 
at least Android allows 3rd party dev tools :-)

what's the latest word on REBOL with Android?

none ... ditto for ARM in general. We are waiting for the HostKit. 
Carl today blogged, that he is looking for HostKit maintainers for 
certain platforms ...

you said you were going to get an Android phone - do you want to 
take on the ARM hostkit?

no, because I am not fluent with C :-(  .... although I bought two 
books, and I succesfully set-up Extension and try loading SQLite 
DLL in C :-) So - I should be at least ready to test ....

I guess you have to have used a device with motion sensing or accelerometer 
to see how terrible an idea this is.

I have... (iPhone) and I do wish more things where gesture driven 
I'd love to do more things one handed.  with the iphone, you are 
just about forced to use it two handed-for anything... the touch 
screen is quite awkward to use with thumbs I find.


but these gestures have to be user controlable.... cause for example, 
itunes allows me to shake the phone and it randomizes to a new track... 
well when the phone is jacked into my car... hehehe, it can be *interesting* 
 ;-)

you start swerving out of pot holes... not for the sake of the car... 
but just cause you don't want to change tracks  ;-)

Henrik, it's the limited info you get with just the bare accelerometer 
that makes it's use not always so great - this motion processor should 
change that

I would love to have *fewer* things to be gesture driven, and it's 
not very often that I invoke a gesture on purpose, simply because 
I'm shifting in the seat or getting up from a chair or moving around, 
because I can't see the display for sun light. There are just too 
many ways to accidentally invoke a gesture with a handheld device, 
when the state you are changing is on the device itself. This only 
works if you are changing simple states, like a pedometer, but not 
with a "complex" UI as on a phone.


You have two conflicting requirements of precision levels for performing 
adjustments to a user interface, comparable to playing chess on a 
trampoline. It doesn't work.

I think you're not giving it a chance. The trigerring can be complex 
enough that it should just go off with random movement. Say a 45% 
tilt, followed by a double shake, followed by a lateral motion, to 
trigger some task

I have already given it a chance. It doesn't work.

this doesn't exist yet in current devices, so what do you mean by 
this?

Say a 45% tilt, followed by a double shake, followed by a lateral 
motion, to trigger some task

 - so how I'm I supposed to remember that? what if I'm lying on the 
 couch and not standing up?

the iPhone can already do most of this stuff. it just doesn't exist 
for android phones yet, it seems.

no, they have accelerometers too - with this processor it's all about 
the precision and the ability to follow relative motion to a much 
finer degree - there is quite a bit more here than just a simple 
accelerometer

it doesn't matter how accurate it is or even how intelligent it is. 
it's the basic principle of using gestures to change states on the 
device itself that doesn't work.